What you have is a suite of programs that you can use. It would be like having a PC that only ran Microsoft Office. That's what you have. And currently, that is what you get. I am not justifying it, I am merely pointing out that this is what Humanware wants to sell. Perhaps There should be other options, but whatever improvements are made, they will most likely reflect the needs and requests of the majority. I have always wanted a better file manager, but I am in the minority, and it isn't going to happen. Frankly, the majority of Braillenote users don't even know what telnet is. If you doubt this, stay on the list long enough and see what kinds of questions are asked over and over and over again. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabe Vega Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:21 AM To: 'Braillenote List' Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy
But there is no reason to say, due to the processor we have and the memory we have to say that we can't have something, everything that we are asking for is possible technically. Hell, even my old 33mhz notetaker had a modem with a email program. So come on, even with the power of windows ce to back up our requests, there is no reason why if the company wanted to devote resources to it we could get a terminal app so we may log into an ssh session or telnet or what ever. And my question was never answered, why do we only have access to ping, but netstat is in the windows directory also but we can't use it? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Ring Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:11 AM To: Braillenote List Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy Ok. First of all, as I stated earlier, Humanware wants to keep the product as far from the GUI as possible. I think there is room for improvement, however, I think that some of us expect functionality and robustness that simply isn't there. I don't know any sighted people who download 500 emails on their Ipaqs, and yet, people on this list do it on their Braillenotes all the time. However, it seems to me that in order to handle that kind of traffic, one must perform a good deal of maintenance, and frankly, I'd much rather use a PC where all I have to do is download and read the mail, I don't have to free database space, I don't get error messages such as "the operation completed successfully" (which means almost the exact opposite of what it says) I simply am not willing to work that hard to simply read email. I do feel that cutting and pasting between applications in the ordinary way should be supported, all I was trying to say is that is you feel that because you paid a huge sum of money for your Braillenote that it should have all of the functionality of a laptop, then you were highly misinformed and you would have been better served by purchasing a small light weight laptop. When I say you here, I mean anyone. Remember when our notetakers were notetakers? They served their function quite well. Now, our PDAs are expected to perform many new duties, and frankly, they do many things quite well. Many individuals like the Braillenote family of products because they are menu driven but they don't present a Windows interface. Many prefer that interface over a PC. Well, fine. Obviously, this is one of the biggest selling points for Humanware. But, Humanware never told anyone that having a Braillenote was the same as having a laptop. It isn't. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Henrichsen Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:52 PM To: Braillenote List Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy I guess the obvious question is why will it never happen? There is no reason why the programmers could not make the pk act as if it were a little computer. Just because people classify the bn as a PDA doesn't mean it has to be limited by necessity. PDA's, themselves, do things differently depending on the price you pay for the unit. But again, why will it never happen that the bn cannot act more like a pc? What aare your reasons for making such a statement? What the bn does or doesn't do depends on what PDI decides is important to implement. If older braille units had a way to dial numbers, why doesn't the bn have this feature? Easy. PDI decided it wasn't important or a feature that many folks would use. Why can't we click on a url within email or copy an address from an email easier? Who knows. But there is no reason other than memory limitations that these features and many others could not be implemented if PDI thought they were necessary. Why not? ? At 7/12/2005, you wrote: >This isn't a regular computer! >It is a PDA, and all PDA's suffer from limitations that do not show up >in a PC. >Sure, the product should be improved, all products should. However, if >you expect the Braillenote or any other PDA to behave precisely like a >PC, it will never happen. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabe Vega >Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:14 AM >To: 'Braillenote List' >Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy > > >And I agree with you and I feel the same. But instead of improving the >products they got, they make a new one and rave about it being the best >thing since slaced bread and leave us pk users in the dust. >Sounds like a company we all know and love -----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicole >Torcolini >Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:09 AM >To: Braillenote List >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy > > I have also noticed in general, not only in email, the block >commands menu does not work in places that a regular computer would >allow you to paste things. Two examples are the find and replace and >creating files and folders. I know there are more, but I can't think >of them at this moment. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kathy Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:27 AM >Subject: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy > > > > There are some truly annoying features and lack there of with the > > Keysoft email software. The awkward way one must handle adding an > > address to the address book is prehistoric.It is probably the number > > one reason I won't be using my new toy for Email as soon as I get my > > laptop back. While it's fun and fast, it's a pain in the neck to have > > to cut and paste from one operation to another just to get the address >out >of a message. > > > > The next most bothersome problem is not being able to click on an URL > > within an email message. This is truly annoying because while I was > > able to use edit commands to hear I was cutting the url, when I got to > > > the internet area to enter it for my url selection, it had disappeared > > > from the clipboard. Makes it a pretty expensive toy when you can't use > > > it for the obvious. > > > > As someone else mentioned, the lack of phone dialing is surprising > > since it was a standard feature on both the Braillemate and Transtype > > for over a dozen years already. Where was Humanware when that standard > > > was being developed I don't imagine anyone specificly asked them for a > > > keyboard either, but they figured out it was expected. > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote
