Seriously. Isn't that the truth. You're going to try and blame the stuff on the merge??? That's been done a while ago?? Now, come on maybe building the m power, but adding functionality to the pk? Naw. They got the m power out with no problem didn't they.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Henrichsen Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:40 PM To: Braillenote List Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy Hi, Stan. Your logic would hold if PDI had merged with visuaide some tiem ago, but that merge was fairly recent. I too love my braille note and wouldn't have any other. I am looking forward with great excitement at having my unit upgraded to an MPower. But this merge is a fairly recent thing. I work for Kurzweil educational systems. We were recently bought by Cambium learning systems. We are still testing and will soon ship K1000 10.0. The merge didn't show us down with regards to K1000 or K3000. At 7/13/2005, you wrote: >While I truly understand the need for the braille note to have >increased functionality, it is important to take note of the fact that >Humanware is the result of the joining of PulseData and Visuaid. If >you follow business field in any way shape or form, it doesn't take a >brain surgeon to realize that when companies join forces there are >growing pains. In other words, people have to learn how to play well >with others on the playground. We tend to want everything now.For >example, there was a clammer on this list for keysoft6.1 to be >released, when it was, people were complaining about the bugs. I >suspect that when the mpower is released for transplanting purposes, >there will be people that will complain about the way things have been >implemented. If the only information was based on what I read on this >list, I would have twice about buying a braille note. Even if I was a >new customer, based on many of the threds I see on this list, I would >think twice. I like my Braille Note. Remember, there is a price for being an early adapter. > >Regards, StanAt 02:50 PM 7/13/2005, you wrote: >>You state that the bn isn't the same as a laptop. Right now, I agree >>with you. But again, why not? My wife has an ipak and doesn't even >>browse the web with it much less download email. But is it capable of >>downloading over 500 email as we must often do on the bn? I don't >>know. I bought my bn because of the braille display. If I had not been >>interested in a braille display, I most certainly would have bought a >>laptop. I suppose I could have bought a laptop and velcroed a >>brailliant to the front of it, but the brailliant wasn't out at the >>time. I suppose now-a-days, that would be a good alternative for those wanting refreshable braille as I did. >>Interestingly, the new MPower seems to be able to download any number >>of email messages according to beta testers on this list; so I wonder >>if this is processor related? I would think that if the email program >>were rewritten not using the database method it currently uses that >>one could probably download unlimited amounts of email. >>The problem could be a database or perhaps a memory issue. I don't know. >>Can the braille sense or the packmate download unlimited email messages? >>I don't know as I don't have either of these devices. >>But I believe that the bn does have the capability of performing like >>a laptop even with the proprietary interface that PDI has chosen to >>use. We will probably see more and more functionality if and whenever >>the SDK comes out. >>I think that this will be partly due to the faster processor and >>greater memory available in the MPower. >>Jonathan promises some interesting features coming just because of the >>faster processor, and I suspect, because of the greater amount of >>system memory as well. >>When I bought my bn a year and a half ago, I didn't think it would >>perform like a laptop, but suspected that over time, it might come close. >>Last week, I was at the ACB convention. I had no other way to get my >>email but through the bn no matter how many messages there were on a >>daily basis. Sure. I would have rather been sitting at my pc >>downloading 500 email without a problem, but I didn't have that luxury.. >>What the bn can and can't do depends on the hardware and the >>capability of the PDI programmers. I believe that the new MPower will >>probably make it possible for the bn to come closer to performing like a laptop in many ways. >>I believe that if the current email program were rewritten that we >>would probably see a better program with regard to downloading and >>manipulating email. >>At 7/13/2005, you wrote: >> >>>Ok. >>>First of all, as I stated earlier, Humanware wants to keep the >>>product as far from the GUI as possible. >>>I think there is room for improvement, however, I think that some of >>>us expect functionality and robustness that simply isn't there. >>>I don't know any sighted people who download 500 emails on their >>>Ipaqs, and yet, people on this list do it on their Braillenotes all the time. >>>However, it seems to me that in order to handle that kind of traffic, >>>one must perform a good deal of maintenance, and frankly, I'd much >>>rather use a PC where all I have to do is download and read the mail, >>>I don't have to free database space, I don't get error messages such >>>as "the operation completed successfully" (which means almost the >>>exact opposite of what it says) I simply am not willing to work that >>>hard to simply read email. I do feel that cutting and pasting >>>between applications in the ordinary way should be supported, all I >>>was trying to say is that is you feel that because you paid a huge >>>sum of money for your Braillenote that it should have all of the >>>functionality of a laptop, then you were highly misinformed and you >>>would have been better served by purchasing a small light weight >>>laptop. When I say you here, I mean anyone. >>>Remember when our notetakers were notetakers? They served their >>>function quite well. Now, our PDAs are expected to perform many new >>>duties, and frankly, they do many things quite well. >>>Many individuals like the Braillenote family of products because they >>>are menu driven but they don't present a Windows interface. >>>Many prefer that interface over a PC. Well, fine. Obviously, this >>>is one of the biggest selling points for Humanware. >>>But, Humanware never told anyone that having a Braillenote was the >>>same as having a laptop. >>>It isn't. >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul >>>Henrichsen >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:52 PM >>>To: Braillenote List >>>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy >>> >>> >>>I guess the obvious question is why will it never happen? There is no >>>reason why the programmers could not make the pk act as if it were a >>>little computer. Just because people classify the bn as a PDA doesn't >>>mean it has to be limited by necessity. PDA's, themselves, do things >>>differently depending on the price you pay for the unit. >>>But again, why will it never happen that the bn cannot act more like >>>a pc? >>>What aare your reasons for making such a statement? >>>What the bn does or doesn't do depends on what PDI decides is >>>important to implement. >>>If older braille units had a way to dial numbers, why doesn't the bn >>>have this feature? Easy. PDI decided it wasn't important or a feature >>>that many folks would use. >>>Why can't we click on a url within email or copy an address from an >>>email easier? Who knows. But there is no reason other than memory >>>limitations that these features and many others could not be >>>implemented if PDI thought they were necessary. >>>Why not? >>>? >>>At 7/12/2005, you wrote: >>> >>> >This isn't a regular computer! >>> >It is a PDA, and all PDA's suffer from limitations that do not show >>> >up in a PC. >>> >Sure, the product should be improved, all products should. >>> >However, if you expect the Braillenote or any other PDA to behave >>> >precisely like a PC, it will never happen. >>> > >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabe >>> >Vega >>> >Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:14 AM >>> >To: 'Braillenote List' >>> >Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy >>> > >>> > >>> >And I agree with you and I feel the same. But instead of improving >>> >the products they got, they make a new one and rave about it being >>> >the best thing since slaced bread and leave us pk users in the dust. >>> >Sounds like a company we all know and love -----Original >>> >Message----- >>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicole >>> >Torcolini >>> >Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:09 AM >>> >To: Braillenote List >>> >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy >>> > >>> > I have also noticed in general, not only in email, the block >>> >commands menu does not work in places that a regular computer would >>> >allow you to paste things. Two examples are the find and replace >>> >and creating files and folders. I know there are more, but I can't >>> >think of them at this moment. >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: "Kathy Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]> >>> >Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:27 AM >>> >Subject: [Braillenote] Doesn't click, Doesn't Copy >>> > >>> > >>> > > There are some truly annoying features and lack there of with the >>> > > Keysoft email software. The awkward way one must handle adding an >>> > > address to the address book is prehistoric.It is probably the number >>> > > one reason I won't be using my new toy for Email as soon as I get my >>> > > laptop back. While it's fun and fast, it's a pain in the neck to >>>have >>> > > to cut and paste from one operation to another just to get the >>>address >>> >out >>> >of a message. >>> > > >>> > > The next most bothersome problem is not being able to click on an >>>URL >>> > > within an email message. This is truly annoying because while I was >>> > > able to use edit commands to hear I was cutting the url, when I got >>>to >>> > >>> > > the internet area to enter it for my url selection, it had >>>disappeared >>> > >>> > > from the clipboard. Makes it a pretty expensive toy when you can't >>>use >>> > >>> > > it for the obvious. >>> > > >>> > > As someone else mentioned, the lack of phone dialing is surprising >>> > > since it was a standard feature on both the Braillemate and >>>Transtype >>> > > for over a dozen years already. Where was Humanware when that >>>standard >>> > >>> > > was being developed I don't imagine anyone specificly asked them for >>>a >>> > >>> > > keyboard either, but they figured out it was expected. >>> > > >>> > > ___ >>> > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>> > > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >___ >>> >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>> >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>> > >>> > >>> >___ >>> >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>> >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>> > >>> > >>> >___ >>> >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>> >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>> >>> >>> >>>___ >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>> >>> >>>___ >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> >> >> >>___ >>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote
