Hi Carol, It's great you are comfortable using both types of keyboard. I also use a computer at work along with a Braille star 40 braille display, as I am a braille proofreader, so the skill of typing is never going to be lost to me once I receive my mPower BT, nor will I forget the commands for the Voicenote QT in a hurry, as i've used it for just over 4 years. I chose the QT at that time, even though the keyboard was a little small, because I was already familiar with a lot of the commands as these were used in Keynote products, and I knew it wouldn't take me long to get used to the smallness of the keyboard. I found the BT very comfortable to use and I liked the ergonomic keyboard very much. David
> ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carol Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected] >Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:55:30 +0100 >Subject: RE: [Braillenote] translation >I would also dare to venture that it's my experience you get to know the >quirks in your Braille translation programme so, after a lot of >proof-reading, you know what you can afford not to read! >I am equally comfortable with either system and use my compouter a lot >and Mike's Braille Note just as often as I get hold of it! >-- >Carol >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >-- >Carol >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David >Standen >Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 4:06 PM >To: Braillenote List >Subject: RE: [Braillenote] translation >Hi Carol, > Good point. My typing is 99% accurate, and I've used note takers with >qwerty keyboards for nearly 20 years, but I, like you, am more accurate >in braille and this is why I decided in the end to go for a Voicenote BT >mPower. It really boils down to choice here, and people should use >whatever keyboard they feel the most comfortable with. > Just my thoughts. >David >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Carol Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected] >>Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:34:51 +0100 >>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] translation >>Rhonda, >>Just to push you in a little deeper . . .. You have a valid point but, >>for those of us who spell well most of the time, it's great to use our >>Grade 2 Braille and rattle along as fast as we possibly can. (Those >>who know me know that I go at quite a pace too!) >>Seriously, I do know what you mean about a QWERTY but don't think >>really that it would be quite so portable for me. I'll stick with what >>Mike thinks he's got! <GRINS >>-- >>Carol >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rhonda >>Clark >>Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:15 PM >>To: Braillenote List >>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] translation >>I know this comment will put me in deep waters that my headache should >>fear me to tread today. I know better, but here goes. One of the >>thoughts I have had many times is that everyone should own a Qwerty >>Keyboard. I can feel you flinching. I see some terrible spellings and >>key combinations come up in many e-mail. It's because of the great >>Translation--grin! I've even thought about the possibility of changing >>my perkin style keyboard to a QT. The cost is what stops me. It seems >>as though people forget how to spell when they write in grade two. >>I've already commented too much, so I'm going to behave, because I >>could get us off-topic, and I don't feel like getting in trouble today. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Richard Ring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:05:29 -0500 >>>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] translation >>>Terri is so absolutely correct here. >>>Frankly, if you want to use the Braillenote to prepare documents that >>>are intended to be read by print readers, you are headed for these >>>kinds of problems. Proofreading the final product would be essential. >>>Certainly teachers who have no knowledge of Braille will not know the >>>rules for Braille, heck more than half of the teachers of the >>>"visually impaired" don't know them. I would go so far as to say that, >>>unless you are willing to put the >>time >>>and effort into seriously proofreading a braille-to-text translation, >>>you should either create your document on a Personal Computer, or >>create >>>on the Braillenote using computer Braille. >>>If you choose to do the latter, you will not have to worry about >>>letter signs being misinterpreted and the like. It is not an easy >>>thing to do, but it can be done. Duxbury simply cannot anticipate >>>everything that might happen when Braille is translated back to text. >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terri >>>Pannett >>>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:08 PM >>>To: Braillenote List >>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] translation >>>That's up to the braillist to fix. You should read your documents >>>before you submit them to a teacher. You just can't expect a program >>>to do everything for you. >>>Terri Pannett, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign >>>AAT9PX, California >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Nicole Torcolini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:49 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] translation >>>> I undersand that it is part of the rules, but shouldn't it be >>>fixed? >>>> Someone might not know about this problem and translate and print >>>without >>>> reviewing. Not all teachers know, much less understand, about >>>> Braille >>>> errors, and ar going to wonder when your papers come out reading >>>> but. >>>can. >>>> do. every. instead of b. c. d. e. If you were to do this on a >>>> test, >>>you >>>> could get the entire test wrong because of it. >>>> Nicole >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] translation >>>>> That is according to the rules for the braille code. Letters in >>>>> parenthesis don't need letter signs and letters followed by periods >>>don't >>>>> need letter signs. If you want to translate the braille document >>>into >>>>> text, you will have to add the letter signs before you translate >>>>> it. >>>>> Don't blame the BrailleNote or its translation program. Duxbury's >>>>> primary design is to translate text into braille and it goes by the >>>rules >>>>> for the braille code of the U.S. or U.K. The original purpose of >>>>> the >>>>> program was to allow sighted people to translate print documents >>>>> into >>>>> braille. >>>>> But translating from braille into text can be done with Duxbury, >>>>> but >>>you >>>>> must edit the braille document yourself if you want letters to be >>>>> translated as initials and not contractions. This is because >>>>> braille >>>>> symbols have more than one meaning and the software program has to >>>decide >>>>> which meaning you want. But software cannot replace the human >>>>> brain. >>>>> Terri Pannett, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign >>>>> AAT9PX, California >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 3:55 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] translation >>>>>> If a letter is followed by a period or a parenthesis, the >>>BrailleNote >>>>>> leaves out the letter sign. Then, when you translate it back to >>>text, >>>>>> it translates that letter as a word, such as c. as can. If the >>>letter >>>>>> is capitalized, then it translates it correctly as the letter, but >>>>>> letters aren't always capitalized. >>>>>> Nicole >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:03 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] translation >>>>>>> The BrailleNote uses Duxbury Braille translation software to >>>translate >>>>>>> from text to Braille and vice versa. Duxbury always translates >>>>>>> according to the BANA rules or the BAUK rules. If the rules >>>>>>> don't >>>>>>> require a letter sign, then Duxbury won't put one in. Generally, >>>>>>> translating from text to Braille has less errors than translating >>>from >>>>>>> Braille to text. >>>>>>> Duxbury does so well translating from text to Braille I'm >>>>>>> surprised >>>you >>>>>>> would believe some letter signs are missing. What example can >>>>>>> you >>>give >>>>>>> to illustrate that Duxbury leaves out letter signs when >>>>>>> translating >>>>>>> from text to Braille? >>>>>>> Terri Pannett, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call >>>>>>> sign >>>>>>> AAT9PX, California >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 8:39 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] translation >>>>>>>> It is interesting because you can't even open a text >>>>>>>> document, >>>ask >>>>>>>> to review the options and tell it to translate it, edit in grade >>>2, >>>>>>>> and then tell it to not translate it when it saves. It's as >>>though >>>>>>>> the BrailleNote doesn't recognize it's own language. If it >>>requires a >>>>>>>> letter sign to make it a letter, shouldn't the BrailleNote put >>>that >>>>>>>> letter sign when it translates? >>>>>>>> Also, does anyone remember the Braille Translation Table from >>>an >>>>>>>> earlier version of keysoft? I think, if it still existed, that >>>might >>>>>>>> have been a way to fix the problem. >>>>>>>> Nicole >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Rhonda Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 7:02 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: re: [Braillenote] translation >>>>>>>>> Hi, Nicole: >>>>>>>>> One of the best ways I've found, especially if you are >>>>>>>>> converting >>>>>>>>> Braille to Text, especially when writing a letter is to put the >>>>>>>>> letter sign, then a capital, and the letter. You shouldn't >>>>>>>>> have >>>any >>>>>>>>> mistranslation issues that way. The text to Braille >>>>>>>>> translation >>>can >>>>>>>>> be tricky, because a B can equal but, if it's not written >>>correctly. >>>>>>>>> In a text, I make sure my letter is capitalized, followed by a >>>>>>>>> period. It is really interesting. >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>From: "Nicole Torcolini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:55:18 -0800 >>>>>>>>>>Subject: [Braillenote] translation >>>>>>>>>> I have noticed that when the BrailleNote translates from >>>>>>>>>> text >>>to >>>>>>>>>> grade 2, >>>>>>>>>>it leaves certain things, such as letter signs, out in certain. >>>>>>>>>>Then, when you go to translate it back into text, it doesn't >>>>>>>>>>come out right. >>>>>>>>>>Some >>>>>>>>>>examples are: >>>>>>>>>>Leaving the letter sign out causes a letter to become a word. >>>>>>>>>>The BrailleNote thinks a minus is com. The BrailleNote >>>>>>>>>>interprets letter sign s as ness. >>>>>>>>>>Nicole >>>>>>>>>>___ >>>>>>>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>>>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>>>>> __________ NOD32 1.1183 (20050729) Information __________ >>>>>>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>>> __________ NOD32 1.1185 (20050801) Information __________ >>>>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> ___ >>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> ___ >>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> __________ NOD32 1.1186 (20050804) Information __________ >>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>___ >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>___ >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>___ >>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>___ >>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote
