Please write back! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose Lomeli Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:21 PM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] braille note on testing
Rhonda is right. I mean if David put the subject away then why should we continue it. Uh! remember people there are moderators watching this list. They might not reply to these messages. But they are listening. Oh do you guys know what it means to put away the subject? I'm surprised that some people might not know what that means. Jose Lomeli Long Beach California. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Rhonda Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Braillenote List <[email protected] >Date sent: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:09:50 -0600 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] braille note on testing >I am starting to have dreams about this subject. In my mind, we >have totally lost of thread of what this should have been. I >feel like we've talked it to death! Pardon my two cents. >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: Joleen Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Braillenote List <[email protected] >>Date sent: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:44:15 -0800 >>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] braille note on testing >>At the risk of cintinuing off topic, I feel urged to reply with >my >>perceptions here. >>We can be far too literal about what is and what is not >acceptable. >>This seems obvious--Sighted students are not to bring electronic >equipment >>that could harbor answers to tests. If there can be a way to >demonstrate >>to all concerned that the unit in question does not have files or >data in >>it that a blind student can use to cheet, then what is the >problem. If >>someone would want to hook up a display and watch to see that >there is no >>cheeting, than that is a viable alternative. >>If we take this argument to its limit, then readers and braille >test >>materials should not be used either because the sighted students >do not use >>them. Rediculous. >>It is important to get to the reason why a rule is made for the >masses and >>then seek an acceptable alternative that may or may not include >the use of >>the Braille Note. the answer may also be to use a computer with >a screen >>reader known to the student and a keyboard familiar to the >student that the >>school tech department has presented with no information on it >that could >>put the blind student at an advantage. >>Let's be reasonable. Exceptions will always have to be made for >us because >>we are living in a world taylored for sighted people. We will >always be >>different. >>For me, personal integrity is all tied up in this. It was >important to me >>not to cheet in any way because I gave my word. If I took a test >in >>advance of the class, it was just as important that I not share >questions >>or answers with class mates. That is all about honesty. >>Yes, in my day, I took multiple tests orally with a reader, often >the >>instructor. I typed essay questions on a manual typewriter. >>David, I know that you have already put this topic to bed so to >speak. But >>let me say that as you interact with your teachers, you will go >far if you >>can remain objective and help them to find the best solution to >your >>situation and work to resolve the issue without heightened motion >on the >>topic. Self advocacy is an important skill to learn early. Our >advice is >>worth what you are paying for it. We do not know your particular >situation. >>I will remember to pray for you and that you will come to a >reasonable >>outcome to this situation that is acceptable to all parties. >>Joleen >>At 05:17 PM 12/4/2006, you wrote: >>>I believe my sighted nieces used computers for their term papers. >>>The point is: if computers for testing are banned for the >sighted, then >>>they should be banned for us. But if computers are permitted, >then they >>>should be permitted for us. >>>I believe all government tests must be put into braille for the >blind, but >>>I could be wrong. I remember I had a braille SAT test in 1969 or >1970. >>>Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "david" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 3:03 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] braille note on testing >>>>One more point. Sighted people usually don't use cell phones or >pdas for >>>>tests or any kind of schoolwork. They usually use the plain old >pencil and pen. >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karyn Campbell" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected] >>>>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:49 AM >>>>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] braille note on testing >>>>>Mike, you still have the cheating factor as well as the fact that >sighted >>>>>students are not allowed to use computers, calculators or PDAs >for testing. >>>>>That being the case, we should not be allowed either. 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