Woops:
I just figgured out what you are saying. You use your bn to create an
embossed sheet of music with words in grade 2. You turn the translater off
for the whole thing and write the words in grade 2--maybe that is what you
are saying. I was stil thinking about trying to create print. My bad!
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: "FunGuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files
So Terri:
You are saying that when you write the words you write in grade 2 and rely
on the Duxbury to translate them; and when you write the musical notation
you use a command to suspend the Duxbury translator. You then turn the
translator back on when you are returning to writing the words. Is that
it, or do you have some other method. Clearly you aren't sending the
Braille music notation through the Duxbury! I am sure you know more about
this then I do as I haven't used Braille music for 25 years, but I am also
sure you have developed some clever way of working around the translator
and the formatter. That was the point I was trying to make in my initial
post on this subject. My suspicion is that you and I completely agree on
the theory but you have a technique that I haven't discovered. Without
writing an essay, I'd love to hear how you draft the notation and words
and get a file that embosses just as you want it too. Perhaps your
technique could be applied in other situations.
Thanks!
alan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files
Well, I heartily disagree with you! I use DBT and music braille all the
time. And the BN, too! All you have to do is create abraille document
and pretend your BN is a Perkins brailler with the blank paper rolled in.
You don't need to write in grade 0 braille. I always write the words of
the songs in grade II and the braille music underneath a line of words
followed by a line of music.
I don't think Dancing Dots will translate music from braille to print.
The program will translate music from print to braille, but you must have
a sighted person help you check the music to be sure it has been
translated correctly. For that reason, I prefer to create all of my
braille music by hand.
DBT cannot translate music, but you can still use it to create files by
hand.
Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX
----- Original Message -----
From: "FunGuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files
Eugene:
If you want to create Braille Music for embossing on a Braille printer,
it's a simple matter of writing in grade 0 or ASCII Braille. If you
want to convert Braille music to print you can still create it on the
Braille Note but then send it to a program like Dancing Dots on a PC. I
don't know if Dancing Dots has Braille music to print music translator,
but that's beyond the point of this message.
When Richard mentioned using a Braille Note and formatting and Duxbury I
think the issue was that there were to many elements in the equation so
to speak.
I don't mean to split hairs or start an argument here, but Duxbury was
not designed for music at all and shouldn't even be raised in a
discussion of Braille music notation.
If you want to write song lyrics in grade 2, back translate them and use
the block command to paste them in to the ASCII Braille file.
The formatter in the Braille Note may seem unpredictable, but you can
easily tame it if you will take the time and energy to master it; if you
are sending Braille music notation to a Braille embosser it's really
just a matter of trial and error. If you want to convert Braille music
to print notation I'd suggest that the PC is the only platform that
should even be considered for that task.
The Braille Note software is an excellent tool, but you cant screw a
screw in with a hammer. I think this is a case of needing to think
clearly about the task and the tools available. This is a case of
mastering the little bitty details; if you don't want to go to all that
effort I don't blame you-but perhaps this post will help you break the
task in to achievable baby steppes.
Alan Holst
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Manfrini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files
Hi Terri,
I'm very curious to know since I am a musician and composer; you or
someone couldn't have created the music you mentioned from the
BrailleNote, am I right? If you did that would be fantastic.
Eugenio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:21:20 -0800
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files
I have heard that this problem occurs with all notetakers, not just the
BN.
The reason is the work processors in the notetakers don't generate hard
line
returns which can be read by other programs. To get around this, a
person
must put the hard returns in manually.
If your file has both music and words in it with a line of words
followed by
a line of music, then the file should import into DBT correctly,
because
there are manual hard returns in the file.
Also, when you open a file which has both music and words in it like I
described above, be sure to open the file in line format and save it in
line
format when you close the file.
Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Ring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files
The question you should be asking is this:
How do files created using Duxbury work on the Braillenote? And, how
do
files created using a Braillenote work when using Duxbury.
The translator is not the issue. The issue is Keyword. If you
create a
.brf file using Duxbury, you will be able to read it just fine using
the
Braillenote. However, if you create a .brf file using the
Braillenote
and import it into Duxbury, your results can be quite frightening.
One
of my co-workers used the Braillenote to transcribe some music into
Braille. When she brought it into Duxbury, it was a disaster. She
described it to me like this: "it was a 20 page word!" no line
breaks,
no indication as to where anything began or ended.
I am not advocating any note taker over another, but if the primary
purpose for purchasing a note taker is that you are going to use it
to
create files which can subsequently be embossed using Duxbury you
will
have your work cut out for you.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury
Files
Hi Rick:
Terrific question! Let me start by saying that my bias is toward a
member of
the Braille Note family for your school district. There are several
good
reasons which I will list and I will also suggest some questions you
might
pose to vendors and others knowledgeable in the field.
First, at this time, the Braille Note family has the largest
installed
base
by far! That matters because bug fixes and good support are
dependant
on
the size of the population a company like this serves.
Second, I believe you will find that the Braille translator used in
the
Braille Note family is Duxbury. I know that this is not the
Translator
used
in the PacMate. In fact, this would be a serious concern were I
making
this
purchase for school children. Why the PacMate uses a different
translator
is beyond the scope of this message, but as a pure bases of
comparison,
this
may be enough of a concern to rule out the PacMate.
Third, the premise of the PacMate is using commercial software. What
Freedom Scientific doesn't address well is who will pay for the cost
of
developing the set files(scripts) for the commercial software.
Believe
me,
that is no small matter so that piece of the argument in favor of the
PacMate is mute to say the least and disingenuous to say the most.
If
you
accept this point, I would once again remind you of my first point
about
the
size of the installed base.
Fourth, the Braille Note family uses a token system to indicate print
formatting. As a life time Braille reader, I can tell you that this
is
by
far the best system for relating to print formatting.
Now for some questions you might ask to further clarify the issues.
Rather
then asking if the files can be transferred (I'm sure they can with
all
3) I'd
ask how the print format information is conveyed to the Braille
reader.
I
think you will find that the token system in the Braille Note family
is
the
best by far.
Hardware is a big deal! It is also a matter of personal taste. I
hope
you
are buying units with a Braille display. If so, you might just want
to
ask
a few of the potential users which display seems most natural and
comfortable. I would caution you in that regard that a display that
is
refreshed by pressing router buttons in a location where they can
easily
be
confused with other buttons is a recipe for trouble. It will slow
down
Braille reading particularly in young people.
Finally, I would look at the history of manufacturers in terms of
cannibalizing there own products by forcing customers to buy new
hardware by
unnecessarily obsoleteing the old hardware. This will hurt your
district
in the long run. I trust something here is helpful.
Alan Holst
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Boggess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files
I am sorry for the earlier message which I forgot to edit to reflect
the
appropriate product name. The message should have read as follows;
I'm looking at notetakers for our school system. I would appreciate
hearing
from those with experience transferring Word and Duxbury files to
and
from
the BrailleNote. Is this possibel? Does formatting remain in tact?
Rick Boggess
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