Hi Terri, Thank you for all your comments which I'm trying to digest but I'm still having trouble with anachronisms. You wrote: You can use you BN as a braille display with WE or JFW, but DD favors the Shark, although it's supposed to work with WE, too. One word that wasn't a an abbreviation was "Shark". What does that mean. While you're at it what do the following mean also: ''st, hth (at the bottom of emails), MSN, (and while you're at it): (by Cathy Shelton), name SSN, DOB address and finally for this time, DBT. Eugenio
> ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:19:10 -0800 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >You can't use Dancing Dots with the BN because it's a Windows program and >you can't put the software into the BN. You can use you BN as a braille >display with WE or JFW, but DD favors the Shark, although it's supposed to >work with WE, too. >Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX >----- Original Message ----- >From: "FunGuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:01 AM >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >> Hi Eugenio: >> Take a look at >> www.dancingdots.com >> I can't speak to using a Braille PDA with there product because I don't >> have first hand experience with that. I did read and use Braille music in >> earlier years and I do know a good deal about Braille technology so if you >> look at the dancing dots page and find that you have very specific >> questions about using a Braille Note with the dancing dots program I'd be >> willing to discuss it. Remember though that this discussion will become >> extremely geaky and will require very specific questions. For example, >> are you trying to write in Braille and then produce print music or are you >> trying to just create Braille music for an embosser? >> I took a very quick look at the dancing dots page and it looks like they >> have a program to turn Braille music in to print notation; or at least a >> way for blind musicians to create print music. >> A good first start though will be to take a hard look at that dancing dots >> page and then define a very specific task that you want to achieve. I >> don't think reading Braille music notation on a bn is going to be a good >> idea, but writing Braille music on a bn to be embossed on paper might be a >> very good idea. >> Hope something here helps. >> alan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eugene Manfrini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:47 AM >> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>> Hi Alan, >>> You have really gotten me very excited and interested when you discussed >>> writing Braille Music on the BrailleNote. In the past when I was >>> using an MSDOS computer I tried severl Music writing programs and they >>> were so complicated that I finally gave them up. Where would I go to >>> find out more about this subject. I would be indebted to you for any >>> information of this type. >>> Eugenio >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "FunGuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:48:54 -0800 >>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>>Eugene: >>>>If you want to create Braille Music for embossing on a Braille printer, >>>>it's >>>>a simple matter of writing in grade 0 or ASCII Braille. If you want to >>>>convert Braille music to print you can still create it on the Braille >>>>Note >>>>but then send it to a program like Dancing Dots on a PC. I don't know if >>>>Dancing Dots has Braille music to print music translator, but that's >>>>beyond >>>>the point of this message. >>>>When Richard mentioned using a Braille Note and formatting and Duxbury I >>>>think the issue was that there were to many elements in the equation so >>>>to >>>>speak. >>>>I don't mean to split hairs or start an argument here, but Duxbury was >>>>not >>>>designed for music at all and shouldn't even be raised in a discussion of >>>>Braille music notation. >>>>If you want to write song lyrics in grade 2, back translate them and use >>>>the >>>>block command to paste them in to the ASCII Braille file. >>>>The formatter in the Braille Note may seem unpredictable, but you can >>>>easily >>>>tame it if you will take the time and energy to master it; if you are >>>>sending Braille music notation to a Braille embosser it's really just a >>>>matter of trial and error. If you want to convert Braille music to print >>>>notation I'd suggest that the PC is the only platform that should even be >>>>considered for that task. >>>>The Braille Note software is an excellent tool, but you cant screw a >>>>screw >>>>in with a hammer. I think this is a case of needing to think clearly >>>>about >>>>the task and the tools available. This is a case of mastering the little >>>>bitty details; if you don't want to go to all that effort I don't blame >>>>you-but perhaps this post will help you break the task in to achievable >>>>baby >>>>steppes. >>>>Alan Holst >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Eugene Manfrini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:52 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>>> Hi Terri, >>>>> I'm very curious to know since I am a musician and composer; you or >>>>> someone couldn't have created the music you mentioned from the >>>>> BrailleNote, am I right? If you did that would be fantastic. >>>>> Eugenio >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>>>>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:21:20 -0800 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>>>>I have heard that this problem occurs with all notetakers, not just the >>>>>>BN. >>>>>>The reason is the work processors in the notetakers don't generate hard >>>>>>line >>>>>>returns which can be read by other programs. To get around this, a >>>>>>person >>>>>>must put the hard returns in manually. >>>>>>If your file has both music and words in it with a line of words >>>>>>followed >>>>>>by >>>>>>a line of music, then the file should import into DBT correctly, >>>>>>because >>>>>>there are manual hard returns in the file. >>>>>>Also, when you open a file which has both music and words in it like I >>>>>>described above, be sure to open the file in line format and save it in >>>>>>line >>>>>>format when you close the file. >>>>>>Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Richard Ring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:26 PM >>>>>>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>>>>> The question you should be asking is this: >>>>>>> How do files created using Duxbury work on the Braillenote? And, how >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> files created using a Braillenote work when using Duxbury. >>>>>>> The translator is not the issue. The issue is Keyword. If you >>>>>>> create a >>>>>>> .brf file using Duxbury, you will be able to read it just fine using >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Braillenote. However, if you create a .brf file using the >>>>>>> Braillenote >>>>>>> and import it into Duxbury, your results can be quite frightening. >>>>>>> One >>>>>>> of my co-workers used the Braillenote to transcribe some music into >>>>>>> Braille. When she brought it into Duxbury, it was a disaster. She >>>>>>> described it to me like this: "it was a 20 page word!" no line >>>>>>> breaks, >>>>>>> no indication as to where anything began or ended. >>>>>>> I am not advocating any note taker over another, but if the primary >>>>>>> purpose for purchasing a note taker is that you are going to use it >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> create files which can subsequently be embossed using Duxbury you >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> have your work cut out for you. >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FunGuy >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:10 AM >>>>>>> To: Braillenote List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury >>>>>>> Files >>>>>>> Hi Rick: >>>>>>> Terrific question! Let me start by saying that my bias is toward a >>>>>>> member of >>>>>>> the Braille Note family for your school district. There are several >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> reasons which I will list and I will also suggest some questions you >>>>>>> might >>>>>>> pose to vendors and others knowledgeable in the field. >>>>>>> First, at this time, the Braille Note family has the largest >>>>>>> installed >>>>>>> base >>>>>>> by far! That matters because bug fixes and good support are >>>>>>> dependant >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> the size of the population a company like this serves. >>>>>>> Second, I believe you will find that the Braille translator used in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Braille Note family is Duxbury. I know that this is not the >>>>>>> Translator >>>>>>> used >>>>>>> in the PacMate. In fact, this would be a serious concern were I >>>>>>> making >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> purchase for school children. Why the PacMate uses a different >>>>>>> translator >>>>>>> is beyond the scope of this message, but as a pure bases of >>>>>>> comparison, >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> may be enough of a concern to rule out the PacMate. >>>>>>> Third, the premise of the PacMate is using commercial software. What >>>>>>> Freedom Scientific doesn't address well is who will pay for the cost >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> developing the set files(scripts) for the commercial software. >>>>>>> Believe >>>>>>> me, >>>>>>> that is no small matter so that piece of the argument in favor of the >>>>>>> PacMate is mute to say the least and disingenuous to say the most. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> accept this point, I would once again remind you of my first point >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> size of the installed base. >>>>>>> Fourth, the Braille Note family uses a token system to indicate print >>>>>>> formatting. As a life time Braille reader, I can tell you that this >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> far the best system for relating to print formatting. >>>>>>> Now for some questions you might ask to further clarify the issues. >>>>>>> Rather >>>>>>> then asking if the files can be transferred (I'm sure they can with >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> 3) I'd >>>>>>> ask how the print format information is conveyed to the Braille >>>>>>> reader. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> think you will find that the token system in the Braille Note family >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> best by far. >>>>>>> Hardware is a big deal! It is also a matter of personal taste. I >>>>>>> hope >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> are buying units with a Braille display. If so, you might just want >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> ask >>>>>>> a few of the potential users which display seems most natural and >>>>>>> comfortable. I would caution you in that regard that a display that >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> refreshed by pressing router buttons in a location where they can >>>>>>> easily >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> confused with other buttons is a recipe for trouble. It will slow >>>>>>> down >>>>>>> Braille reading particularly in young people. >>>>>>> Finally, I would look at the history of manufacturers in terms of >>>>>>> cannibalizing there own products by forcing customers to buy new >>>>>>> hardware by >>>>>>> unnecessarily obsoleteing the old hardware. This will hurt your >>>>>>> district >>>>>>> in the long run. I trust something here is helpful. >>>>>>> Alan Holst >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Rick Boggess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:54 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>>>>>>I am sorry for the earlier message which I forgot to edit to reflect >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> appropriate product name. The message should have read as follows; >>>>>>>> I'm looking at notetakers for our school system. I would appreciate >>>>>>>> hearing >>>>>>>> from those with experience transferring Word and Duxbury files to >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> the BrailleNote. Is this possibel? 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