Hi David, I agree with you. I think it would be fantastic if HW would introduce an add-on for KS specifically designed for Braille music reading and writing. How does someone go about suggesting it and involve someone with pull. I'm sure there are many of the BrailleNote users who would use this feature. Eugenio
>----- Original Message ----- >From: "david" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:13:31 -0600 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Braille Music Notation on the BN >It would be neat if hw made an addon for ks that is specifically designed >for braille music reading. I know you can do the same thing in a keyword >document, but a specially designed program would allow you to do things >specific to reading braille music like jumping to a specific measure and so >forth. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joleen Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:06 PM >Subject: [Braillenote] Braille Music Notation on the BN >> Hi, >> I use my BN to create braille music for playing chimes. I put 4 measures >> on a line because they fit well within the 32 cells. I number the first >> measure of each line so that I can easily find where our director wants us >> to start playing next. Sometimes it requires that I hold two chimes in >> one hand until I have memorized the music. When I sent my BN in for >> repairs, I embossed each hymn on my blazer. I don't remember exactly why >> now, but I chose to create a .brf file because the Keyword braille >> document was wanting to work on my work in some way. >> Our chimes director does not know braille music, or braille for that >> matter, but he e-mails me a code for the print music that goes like this: >> 4/4 Key of C >> Notes B5 and C6 >> He then notes when I play with the following key: >> r 1 = whole rest >> r2 = half rest >> r3 = dotted half rest >> r4 = quarter rest >> r8 = eighth rest >> For the actual notes, he uses the same numbers for the values and preceeds >> them by the alphabetic letter representing the note. >> Chime music is easy to write because I only have a few notes and we are >> beginners. >> Anyway, he says it is easy for him to convert the print music to this >> code. I then convert the code to braille music notation. It is a little >> tricky to "touch read" the music until I get it memorized. but it works >> for me. I strap the BN around my waist while I play and read. >> I hope this helps someone. >> Joleen >> At 10:37 AM 12/6/2006, you wrote: >>>Dear Eugenio, >>>Yes, I did create some of my music files using the BN. You must turn off >>>speech and create a .brf file and type the braille music using six-key >>>entry. If you are using a QT keyboard, the s d f and j k l keys are used >>>to make the six dots. In order to be sure you can import the file to DBT, >>>use manual hard returns by pressing the enter key. >>>Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Manfrini" >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:52 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>>Hi Terri, >>>> I'm very curious to know since I am a musician and composer; you or >>>> someone couldn't have created the music you mentioned from the >>>> BrailleNote, am I right? If you did that would be fantastic. >>>> Eugenio >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>>>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:21:20 -0800 >>>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>>>I have heard that this problem occurs with all notetakers, not just the >>>>>BN. >>>>>The reason is the work processors in the notetakers don't generate hard >>>>>line >>>>>returns which can be read by other programs. To get around this, a >>>>>person >>>>>must put the hard returns in manually. >>>>>If your file has both music and words in it with a line of words >>>>>followed by >>>>>a line of music, then the file should import into DBT correctly, because >>>>>there are manual hard returns in the file. >>>>>Also, when you open a file which has both music and words in it like I >>>>>described above, be sure to open the file in line format and save it in >>>>>line >>>>>format when you close the file. >>>>>Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Richard Ring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:26 PM >>>>>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>>>>The question you should be asking is this: >>>>>>How do files created using Duxbury work on the Braillenote? And, how >>>>>>do >>>>>>files created using a Braillenote work when using Duxbury. >>>>>>The translator is not the issue. The issue is Keyword. If you create >>>>>>a >>>>>>.brf file using Duxbury, you will be able to read it just fine using >>>>>>the >>>>>>Braillenote. However, if you create a .brf file using the Braillenote >>>>>>and import it into Duxbury, your results can be quite frightening. One >>>>>>of my co-workers used the Braillenote to transcribe some music into >>>>>>Braille. When she brought it into Duxbury, it was a disaster. She >>>>>>described it to me like this: "it was a 20 page word!" no line breaks, >>>>>>no indication as to where anything began or ended. >>>>>>I am not advocating any note taker over another, but if the primary >>>>>>purpose for purchasing a note taker is that you are going to use it to >>>>>>create files which can subsequently be embossed using Duxbury you will >>>>>>have your work cut out for you. >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FunGuy >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:10 AM >>>>>>To: Braillenote List >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>>>>Hi Rick: >>>>>>Terrific question! Let me start by saying that my bias is toward a >>>>>>member of >>>>>>the Braille Note family for your school district. There are several >>>>>>good >>>>>>reasons which I will list and I will also suggest some questions you >>>>>>might >>>>>>pose to vendors and others knowledgeable in the field. >>>>>>First, at this time, the Braille Note family has the largest installed >>>>>>base >>>>>>by far! That matters because bug fixes and good support are dependant >>>>>>on >>>>>>the size of the population a company like this serves. >>>>>>Second, I believe you will find that the Braille translator used in the >>>>>>Braille Note family is Duxbury. I know that this is not the Translator >>>>>>used >>>>>>in the PacMate. In fact, this would be a serious concern were I making >>>>>>this >>>>>>purchase for school children. Why the PacMate uses a different >>>>>>translator >>>>>>is beyond the scope of this message, but as a pure bases of comparison, >>>>>>this >>>>>>may be enough of a concern to rule out the PacMate. >>>>>>Third, the premise of the PacMate is using commercial software. What >>>>>>Freedom Scientific doesn't address well is who will pay for the cost of >>>>>>developing the set files(scripts) for the commercial software. >>>>>>Believe >>>>>>me, >>>>>>that is no small matter so that piece of the argument in favor of the >>>>>>PacMate is mute to say the least and disingenuous to say the most. If >>>>>>you >>>>>>accept this point, I would once again remind you of my first point >>>>>>about >>>>>>the >>>>>>size of the installed base. >>>>>>Fourth, the Braille Note family uses a token system to indicate print >>>>>>formatting. As a life time Braille reader, I can tell you that this is >>>>>>by >>>>>>far the best system for relating to print formatting. >>>>>>Now for some questions you might ask to further clarify the issues. >>>>>>Rather >>>>>>then asking if the files can be transferred (I'm sure they can with all >>>>>>3) I'd >>>>>>ask how the print format information is conveyed to the Braille reader. >>>>>>I >>>>>>think you will find that the token system in the Braille Note family >>>>>>is >>>>>>the >>>>>>best by far. >>>>>>Hardware is a big deal! It is also a matter of personal taste. I hope >>>>>>you >>>>>>are buying units with a Braille display. If so, you might just want to >>>>>>ask >>>>>>a few of the potential users which display seems most natural and >>>>>>comfortable. I would caution you in that regard that a display that is >>>>>>refreshed by pressing router buttons in a location where they can >>>>>>easily >>>>>>be >>>>>>confused with other buttons is a recipe for trouble. It will slow down >>>>>>Braille reading particularly in young people. >>>>>>Finally, I would look at the history of manufacturers in terms of >>>>>>cannibalizing there own products by forcing customers to buy new >>>>>>hardware by >>>>>>unnecessarily obsoleteing the old hardware. This will hurt your >>>>>>district >>>>>>in the long run. I trust something here is helpful. >>>>>>Alan Holst >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Rick Boggess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected] >>>>>>Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:54 PM >>>>>>Subject: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>>>>>I am sorry for the earlier message which I forgot to edit to reflect >>>>>>the >>>>>>>appropriate product name. The message should have read as follows; >>>>>>>I'm looking at notetakers for our school system. I would appreciate >>>>>>>hearing >>>>>>>from those with experience transferring Word and Duxbury files to and >>>>>>from >>>>>>>the BrailleNote. Is this possibel? Does formatting remain in tact? >>>>>>>Rick Boggess >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>>>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>>>>Version: 7.0.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date: >>>>>>12/2/2006 >>>>>>>___ >>>>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>>>___ >>>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>>>___ >>>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>>>__________ NOD32 1902 (20061205) Information __________ >>>>>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>>>>http://www.eset.com >>>>>___ >>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>___ >>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>__________ NOD32 1902 (20061205) Information __________ >>>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>___ >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> ___ >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote
