Alex,
Space s to create a file from the Web, terrific. I don't
remember seeing this in the Web Browser Chapter of the Manual.
But I've learned to use that command often with my regular
composition writing.
And the back-space o option menu choice is for updating an
already existing file from the Web? I never would have guessed
from the Manual's instructions shown below. Much much thanks.
This option is used to open a locally stored document, such as a
saved web page.
Yours,
David
Beyond Vision
Nashville, TN 615-385-0784
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Hall <[email protected]
To: David Meador <[email protected]
Date sent: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 07:01:00 -0400
Subject: Re: why Care about HTPP and HTML
No problem. Just hit space-s while on the webpage, select a
place in
which to store the file, give it a name if you do not like the
default
one, and hit enter.
Yes, the "open html file" option is to open an html file already
stored on the bn.
On 8/1/10, David Meador <[email protected]> wrote:
Alex,
By all means, absolutely no rush on this, as I am writing you on
a weekend. I apologize, and ask that you set it aside if you
like until your week starts. Also, this time, I'm writing you
and you only for now, since the topic is perhaps too lengthy.
I'll ask your guidance on that. But here goes.
No question, your response was indeed helpful. I can only
imagine the frustration you must feel about the Apex not
allowing
you to open HTML files, when you have created some programs
using
Javascript, knowing these are normally stored in HTML format.
You may use a PC, I'm thinking you've said that, regarding your
work. So I'm guessing you manage.
Now, back to my potential saving of HTML files. thanks to your
email, I've gone back to the Manual to see if I might learn
something more before asking another question of you. So here
you are.
When I am on a website and wish to save an HTML file, let's say
it's a United States zip code directory, how do I do this? I
opened the Internet Menu with back-space o, then pressed the
space bar a few times and see right away the available option to
quote unquote "Open an HTML File." Ok, I pressed enter there,
knowing that I was on the website page that I wanted, and I
think
I followed some of your directions to identify the proper
storage
card and a folder, at which point I created a file name. But
that's as far as Keysoft would allow me to go. It said the file
doesn't exist.
Obviously, it was looking for an already established file. I
don't get it. How can I save that simple zip-code file, or some
other more sophisticated hyperlink HTML file?
I'll forward to the List if you think others would appreciate
having your answer. As for me, I definitely will.
Gratefully,
David
Ok. Not knowing how to upload an HTML file, I'm wondering what
kind of good working application I must be missing.
Respectfully,
David
Beyond Vision
Nashville, TN 615-385-0784
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Hall <[email protected]
To: David Meador <[email protected]
Date sent: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:24:48 -0400
Subject: Re: why Care about HTPP and HTML
First, your favorites are not showing up as html because a
favorite is
just a tiny file holding an address. Essentially, selecting a
favorite
is just a shortcut to typing in that favorite's address.
Html is hypertext markup language. Basically, it is a set of
keywords,
called "tags", that surround text. Web browsers know what these
tags
indicate and so they know how to show things like links, forms,
tables, lists, and so on. It is not a programming language in
the
strict sense of the term, since it merely defines how text should
be
structured. It is a markup language, not a programming language.
When used as a file extension (as in file.htm or file.html - same
thing, really) it refers to the type of file. In an htm or html
file
you will find html text, or text marked up with the html
language. You
can view or edit this text on a computer or any bn product except
the
Apex (for some reason html files will not open properly on the
apex
with ks9.0x). The programs I have made using html and javascript
(a
basic programming language that is run by a web browser) are
stored as
html files. Html files do not require a web connection to work,
which
is how you can store a file and view it even if you are offline.
If,
however, the file tries to access information on another server,
you
may have problems.
HTTP is hypertext transfer protocol (you will also see https from
time
to time; it is just a secure version of http). This is a
protocol, or
a set of rules, by which web content is moved from a remote
server to
your machine. It originally only moved html files, hence the
name, but
it is now used for most any file going from a server to a local
machine. Most web URLs (universal resource locators - basically
the
address of a file or website) use a prefix to tell the browser
what
sort of protocol to use. If you load a locally stored html file
in
keyweb, then look at the url by exiting to the "address" prompt,
you
will see something starting with "file://". If you go to
google.com
you would see "http://";, and if you have a gmail account and go
to
gmail.com you will see "https://";. These prefixes just tell
keyweb
what set of rules to use when retrieving or closing the file(s)
being
requested.
Html is the only one of these terms capable of being a file in
its own
right; http is just a transfer protocol to handle moving the html
file
across the internet. I hope this made at least some sense.
On 7/31/10, David Meador <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Alex and Listors:
Alex, what a wonderful answer and set of steps you gave Michel
on
the topic, "regarding reading HTML files."
However, a surprise. Even though I have 25 or 30 U R L sites on
my Favorites List, none showed up as HTML files when I followed
your easy steps. But there is from my viewpoint another
question. It's what the heck does HTTP and HTML really mean?
I I did a little research tonight, and am here sending a couple
of very brief definition attachments if anyone is interested. I
got them by way of my braille keyboard Empower Voice Note and
Google search. And I am here sending a third attachment of my
own creation. It offers my humble attempt at creating an
analogy
to distinguish HTTP and HTML in every-day layman's terms. Yes,
I must have too much time on my hands.
But here's my question for you, Alex, or anyone else who might
care to answer. Why would a user like me want to fool around
calling web pages HTML or HTTP files? It seems to me HTML is
most often thought of as simply meaning a page copied off a web
site. But technically, they are languages not pages, I believe.
But somewhere I'm mixed up, obviously. Thanks again for your
many responses and technical savvy.
Sincerely,
David
Beyond Vision
Nashville, TN 615-385-0784
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Hall <[email protected]
To: michele thredgold <[email protected]
Date sent: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:24:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading HTML Files
1. Open keyweb so that you are at the "address" prompt.
2. Press backspace to select a folder, just like anywhere else
in
keysoft; think of the "address" prompt as the "file to open"
prompt in
keyword, or a similar prompt anywhere you have to select a file.
3. Once you have chosen the folder and are back at the "address"
prompt, press space to see "list of favorites in folderName
folder".
4. Press space-x (read-x I think) until you see "list of all
html,
text, and braille documents in folderName folder".
5. Find the html file to be read and press enter. You may save
the
file as a favorite like any other webpage if you want to.
On 7/31/10, michele thredgold <[email protected]
wrote:
Hi listers. Could someone outline the steps for reading an HTML
file on the BN? I know you need a web browser but how does one
locate the files from Keyweb?
Thanks.
Michele
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