The "open html file" option is not an updating option, it is just as the manual says: open an html file stored somewhere on the bn already. It is a shortcut way of going to the list of favorites in a folder and using space-x to switch to seeing html files in that folder.
On 8/1/10, David Meador <[email protected]> wrote: > Alex, > > Space s to create a file from the Web, terrific. I don't > remember seeing this in the Web Browser Chapter of the Manual. > But I've learned to use that command often with my regular > composition writing. > > And the back-space o option menu choice is for updating an > already existing file from the Web? I never would have guessed > from the Manual's instructions shown below. Much much thanks. > > This option is used to open a locally stored document, such as a > saved web page. > > Yours, > > David > > > > > > Beyond Vision > > Nashville, TN 615-385-0784 > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] >>To: David Meador <[email protected] >>Date sent: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 07:01:00 -0400 >>Subject: Re: why Care about HTPP and HTML > >>No problem. Just hit space-s while on the webpage, select a > place in >>which to store the file, give it a name if you do not like the > default >>one, and hit enter. >>Yes, the "open html file" option is to open an html file already >>stored on the bn. > >>On 8/1/10, David Meador <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Alex, > >>> By all means, absolutely no rush on this, as I am writing you on >>> a weekend. I apologize, and ask that you set it aside if you >>> like until your week starts. Also, this time, I'm writing you >>> and you only for now, since the topic is perhaps too lengthy. >>> I'll ask your guidance on that. But here goes. > >>> No question, your response was indeed helpful. I can only >>> imagine the frustration you must feel about the Apex not > allowing >>> you to open HTML files, when you have created some programs > using >>> Javascript, knowing these are normally stored in HTML format. >>> You may use a PC, I'm thinking you've said that, regarding your >>> work. So I'm guessing you manage. > >>> Now, back to my potential saving of HTML files. thanks to your >>> email, I've gone back to the Manual to see if I might learn >>> something more before asking another question of you. So here >>> you are. > >>> When I am on a website and wish to save an HTML file, let's say >>> it's a United States zip code directory, how do I do this? I >>> opened the Internet Menu with back-space o, then pressed the >>> space bar a few times and see right away the available option to >>> quote unquote "Open an HTML File." Ok, I pressed enter there, >>> knowing that I was on the website page that I wanted, and I > think >>> I followed some of your directions to identify the proper > storage >>> card and a folder, at which point I created a file name. But >>> that's as far as Keysoft would allow me to go. It said the file >>> doesn't exist. > >>> Obviously, it was looking for an already established file. I >>> don't get it. How can I save that simple zip-code file, or some >>> other more sophisticated hyperlink HTML file? > >>> I'll forward to the List if you think others would appreciate >>> having your answer. As for me, I definitely will. > >>> Gratefully, > >>> David > >>> Ok. Not knowing how to upload an HTML file, I'm wondering what >>> kind of good working application I must be missing. > >>> Respectfully, > >>> David > > > >>> Beyond Vision > >>> Nashville, TN 615-385-0784 > >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>>To: David Meador <[email protected] >>>>Date sent: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:24:48 -0400 >>>>Subject: Re: why Care about HTPP and HTML > >>>>First, your favorites are not showing up as html because a >>> favorite is >>>>just a tiny file holding an address. Essentially, selecting a >>> favorite >>>>is just a shortcut to typing in that favorite's address. > >>>>Html is hypertext markup language. Basically, it is a set of >>> keywords, >>>>called "tags", that surround text. Web browsers know what these >>> tags >>>>indicate and so they know how to show things like links, forms, >>>>tables, lists, and so on. It is not a programming language in >>> the >>>>strict sense of the term, since it merely defines how text should >>> be >>>>structured. It is a markup language, not a programming language. > >>>>When used as a file extension (as in file.htm or file.html - same >>>>thing, really) it refers to the type of file. In an htm or html >>> file >>>>you will find html text, or text marked up with the html >>> language. You >>>>can view or edit this text on a computer or any bn product except >>> the >>>>Apex (for some reason html files will not open properly on the >>> apex >>>>with ks9.0x). The programs I have made using html and javascript >>> (a >>>>basic programming language that is run by a web browser) are >>> stored as >>>>html files. Html files do not require a web connection to work, >>> which >>>>is how you can store a file and view it even if you are offline. >>> If, >>>>however, the file tries to access information on another server, >>> you >>>>may have problems. > >>>>HTTP is hypertext transfer protocol (you will also see https from >>> time >>>>to time; it is just a secure version of http). This is a >>> protocol, or >>>>a set of rules, by which web content is moved from a remote >>> server to >>>>your machine. It originally only moved html files, hence the >>> name, but >>>>it is now used for most any file going from a server to a local >>>>machine. Most web URLs (universal resource locators - basically >>> the >>>>address of a file or website) use a prefix to tell the browser >>> what >>>>sort of protocol to use. If you load a locally stored html file >>> in >>>>keyweb, then look at the url by exiting to the "address" prompt, >>> you >>>>will see something starting with "file://". If you go to >>> google.com >>>>you would see "http://";, and if you have a gmail account and go >>> to >>>>gmail.com you will see "https://";. These prefixes just tell >>> keyweb >>>>what set of rules to use when retrieving or closing the file(s) >>> being >>>>requested. > >>>>Html is the only one of these terms capable of being a file in >>> its own >>>>right; http is just a transfer protocol to handle moving the html >>> file >>>>across the internet. I hope this made at least some sense. > >>>>On 7/31/10, David Meador <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Dear Alex and Listors: > >>>>> Alex, what a wonderful answer and set of steps you gave Michel >>> on >>>>> the topic, "regarding reading HTML files." > >>>>> However, a surprise. Even though I have 25 or 30 U R L sites on >>>>> my Favorites List, none showed up as HTML files when I followed >>>>> your easy steps. But there is from my viewpoint another >>>>> question. It's what the heck does HTTP and HTML really mean? > >>>>> I I did a little research tonight, and am here sending a couple >>>>> of very brief definition attachments if anyone is interested. I >>>>> got them by way of my braille keyboard Empower Voice Note and >>>>> Google search. And I am here sending a third attachment of my >>>>> own creation. It offers my humble attempt at creating an >>> analogy >>>>> to distinguish HTTP and HTML in every-day layman's terms. Yes, >>>>> I must have too much time on my hands. > >>>>> But here's my question for you, Alex, or anyone else who might >>>>> care to answer. Why would a user like me want to fool around >>>>> calling web pages HTML or HTTP files? It seems to me HTML is >>>>> most often thought of as simply meaning a page copied off a web >>>>> site. But technically, they are languages not pages, I believe. >>>>> But somewhere I'm mixed up, obviously. Thanks again for your >>>>> many responses and technical savvy. > >>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>> David > > > >>>>> Beyond Vision > >>>>> Nashville, TN 615-385-0784 > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>>>>To: michele thredgold <[email protected] >>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:24:09 -0400 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading HTML Files > >>>>>>1. Open keyweb so that you are at the "address" prompt. > >>>>>>2. Press backspace to select a folder, just like anywhere else >>>>> in >>>>>>keysoft; think of the "address" prompt as the "file to open" >>>>> prompt in >>>>>>keyword, or a similar prompt anywhere you have to select a file. > >>>>>>3. Once you have chosen the folder and are back at the "address" >>>>>>prompt, press space to see "list of favorites in folderName >>>>> folder". > >>>>>>4. Press space-x (read-x I think) until you see "list of all >>>>> html, >>>>>>text, and braille documents in folderName folder". > >>>>>>5. Find the html file to be read and press enter. You may save >>>>> the >>>>>>file as a favorite like any other webpage if you want to. > >>>>>>On 7/31/10, michele thredgold <[email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi listers. Could someone outline the steps for reading an HTML >>>>>>> file on the BN? I know you need a web browser but how does one >>>>>>> locate the files from Keyweb? > >>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>> Michele > >>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>> Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>>>> If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>>>> copy to the list as well. > >>>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Have a great day, >>>>>>Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>>[email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap > >>>>>>___ >>>>>>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>>>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>>>copy to the list as well. > >>>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>[email protected] >>>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > >>>>-- >>>>Have a great day, >>>>Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>[email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap > > > >>-- >>Have a great day, >>Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>[email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap > -- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) [email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. 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