This is also called "refreshing" a webpage, and reloads it from its source. This will have no effect on a locally stored html file, except to reload it. However, as it is locally stored, nothing will change (unless a javascript program were present, in which case the program would restart with default settings).
On 8/1/10, Joseph Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > Yes. The actual updating (or so called reload) command is ENTER with R. > Cheers, > Joseph > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alex Hall > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:16 AM > To: David Meador > Cc: Braille Note List Humanware > Subject: [Braillenote] Re: why Care about HTPP and HTML > > The "open html file" option is not an updating option, it is just as > the manual says: open an html file stored somewhere on the bn already. > It is a shortcut way of going to the list of favorites in a folder and > using space-x to switch to seeing html files in that folder. > > On 8/1/10, David Meador <[email protected]> wrote: >> Alex, >> >> Space s to create a file from the Web, terrific. I don't >> remember seeing this in the Web Browser Chapter of the Manual. >> But I've learned to use that command often with my regular >> composition writing. >> >> And the back-space o option menu choice is for updating an >> already existing file from the Web? I never would have guessed >> from the Manual's instructions shown below. Much much thanks. >> >> This option is used to open a locally stored document, such as a >> saved web page. >> >> Yours, >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> >> Beyond Vision >> >> Nashville, TN 615-385-0784 >> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>To: David Meador <[email protected] >>>Date sent: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 07:01:00 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: why Care about HTPP and HTML >> >>>No problem. Just hit space-s while on the webpage, select a >> place in >>>which to store the file, give it a name if you do not like the >> default >>>one, and hit enter. >>>Yes, the "open html file" option is to open an html file already >>>stored on the bn. >> >>>On 8/1/10, David Meador <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Alex, >> >>>> By all means, absolutely no rush on this, as I am writing you on >>>> a weekend. I apologize, and ask that you set it aside if you >>>> like until your week starts. Also, this time, I'm writing you >>>> and you only for now, since the topic is perhaps too lengthy. >>>> I'll ask your guidance on that. But here goes. >> >>>> No question, your response was indeed helpful. I can only >>>> imagine the frustration you must feel about the Apex not >> allowing >>>> you to open HTML files, when you have created some programs >> using >>>> Javascript, knowing these are normally stored in HTML format. >>>> You may use a PC, I'm thinking you've said that, regarding your >>>> work. So I'm guessing you manage. >> >>>> Now, back to my potential saving of HTML files. thanks to your >>>> email, I've gone back to the Manual to see if I might learn >>>> something more before asking another question of you. So here >>>> you are. >> >>>> When I am on a website and wish to save an HTML file, let's say >>>> it's a United States zip code directory, how do I do this? I >>>> opened the Internet Menu with back-space o, then pressed the >>>> space bar a few times and see right away the available option to >>>> quote unquote "Open an HTML File." Ok, I pressed enter there, >>>> knowing that I was on the website page that I wanted, and I >> think >>>> I followed some of your directions to identify the proper >> storage >>>> card and a folder, at which point I created a file name. But >>>> that's as far as Keysoft would allow me to go. It said the file >>>> doesn't exist. >> >>>> Obviously, it was looking for an already established file. I >>>> don't get it. How can I save that simple zip-code file, or some >>>> other more sophisticated hyperlink HTML file? >> >>>> I'll forward to the List if you think others would appreciate >>>> having your answer. As for me, I definitely will. >> >>>> Gratefully, >> >>>> David >> >>>> Ok. Not knowing how to upload an HTML file, I'm wondering what >>>> kind of good working application I must be missing. >> >>>> Respectfully, >> >>>> David >> >> >> >>>> Beyond Vision >> >>>> Nashville, TN 615-385-0784 >> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>>>To: David Meador <[email protected] >>>>>Date sent: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:24:48 -0400 >>>>>Subject: Re: why Care about HTPP and HTML >> >>>>>First, your favorites are not showing up as html because a >>>> favorite is >>>>>just a tiny file holding an address. Essentially, selecting a >>>> favorite >>>>>is just a shortcut to typing in that favorite's address. >> >>>>>Html is hypertext markup language. Basically, it is a set of >>>> keywords, >>>>>called "tags", that surround text. Web browsers know what these >>>> tags >>>>>indicate and so they know how to show things like links, forms, >>>>>tables, lists, and so on. It is not a programming language in >>>> the >>>>>strict sense of the term, since it merely defines how text should >>>> be >>>>>structured. It is a markup language, not a programming language. >> >>>>>When used as a file extension (as in file.htm or file.html - same >>>>>thing, really) it refers to the type of file. In an htm or html >>>> file >>>>>you will find html text, or text marked up with the html >>>> language. You >>>>>can view or edit this text on a computer or any bn product except >>>> the >>>>>Apex (for some reason html files will not open properly on the >>>> apex >>>>>with ks9.0x). The programs I have made using html and javascript >>>> (a >>>>>basic programming language that is run by a web browser) are >>>> stored as >>>>>html files. Html files do not require a web connection to work, >>>> which >>>>>is how you can store a file and view it even if you are offline. >>>> If, >>>>>however, the file tries to access information on another server, >>>> you >>>>>may have problems. >> >>>>>HTTP is hypertext transfer protocol (you will also see https from >>>> time >>>>>to time; it is just a secure version of http). This is a >>>> protocol, or >>>>>a set of rules, by which web content is moved from a remote >>>> server to >>>>>your machine. It originally only moved html files, hence the >>>> name, but >>>>>it is now used for most any file going from a server to a local >>>>>machine. Most web URLs (universal resource locators - basically >>>> the >>>>>address of a file or website) use a prefix to tell the browser >>>> what >>>>>sort of protocol to use. If you load a locally stored html file >>>> in >>>>>keyweb, then look at the url by exiting to the "address" prompt, >>>> you >>>>>will see something starting with "file://". If you go to >>>> google.com >>>>>you would see "http://";, and if you have a gmail account and go >>>> to >>>>>gmail.com you will see "https://";. These prefixes just tell >>>> keyweb >>>>>what set of rules to use when retrieving or closing the file(s) >>>> being >>>>>requested. >> >>>>>Html is the only one of these terms capable of being a file in >>>> its own >>>>>right; http is just a transfer protocol to handle moving the html >>>> file >>>>>across the internet. I hope this made at least some sense. >> >>>>>On 7/31/10, David Meador <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Dear Alex and Listors: >> >>>>>> Alex, what a wonderful answer and set of steps you gave Michel >>>> on >>>>>> the topic, "regarding reading HTML files." >> >>>>>> However, a surprise. Even though I have 25 or 30 U R L sites on >>>>>> my Favorites List, none showed up as HTML files when I followed >>>>>> your easy steps. But there is from my viewpoint another >>>>>> question. It's what the heck does HTTP and HTML really mean? >> >>>>>> I I did a little research tonight, and am here sending a couple >>>>>> of very brief definition attachments if anyone is interested. I >>>>>> got them by way of my braille keyboard Empower Voice Note and >>>>>> Google search. And I am here sending a third attachment of my >>>>>> own creation. It offers my humble attempt at creating an >>>> analogy >>>>>> to distinguish HTTP and HTML in every-day layman's terms. Yes, >>>>>> I must have too much time on my hands. >> >>>>>> But here's my question for you, Alex, or anyone else who might >>>>>> care to answer. Why would a user like me want to fool around >>>>>> calling web pages HTML or HTTP files? It seems to me HTML is >>>>>> most often thought of as simply meaning a page copied off a web >>>>>> site. But technically, they are languages not pages, I believe. >>>>>> But somewhere I'm mixed up, obviously. Thanks again for your >>>>>> many responses and technical savvy. >> >>>>>> Sincerely, >> >>>>>> David >> >> >> >>>>>> Beyond Vision >> >>>>>> Nashville, TN 615-385-0784 >> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>>>>>To: michele thredgold <[email protected] >>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:24:09 -0400 >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading HTML Files >> >>>>>>>1. Open keyweb so that you are at the "address" prompt. >> >>>>>>>2. Press backspace to select a folder, just like anywhere else >>>>>> in >>>>>>>keysoft; think of the "address" prompt as the "file to open" >>>>>> prompt in >>>>>>>keyword, or a similar prompt anywhere you have to select a file. >> >>>>>>>3. Once you have chosen the folder and are back at the "address" >>>>>>>prompt, press space to see "list of favorites in folderName >>>>>> folder". >> >>>>>>>4. Press space-x (read-x I think) until you see "list of all >>>>>> html, >>>>>>>text, and braille documents in folderName folder". >> >>>>>>>5. Find the html file to be read and press enter. You may save >>>>>> the >>>>>>>file as a favorite like any other webpage if you want to. >> >>>>>>>On 7/31/10, michele thredgold <[email protected] >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi listers. Could someone outline the steps for reading an HTML >>>>>>>> file on the BN? I know you need a web browser but how does one >>>>>>>> locate the files from Keyweb? >> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >> >>>>>>>> Michele >> >>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>> Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>>>>> If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>>>>> copy to the list as well. >> >>>>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>Have a great day, >>>>>>>Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>>>[email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >> >>>>>>>___ >>>>>>>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>>>>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>>>>copy to the list as well. >> >>>>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>>[email protected] >>>>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> >> >> >> >>>>>-- >>>>>Have a great day, >>>>>Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>[email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >> >> >> >>>-- >>>Have a great day, >>>Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>[email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >> > > > -- > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from GMail website) > [email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap > > ___ > Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. > If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a > copy to the list as well. > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > [email protected] > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3042 - Release Date: 08/01/10 > 06:34:00 > > -- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) [email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. 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