Hi again

I thought I'd reply to my own message just to make clear that I'm not
suggesting that bugs shouldn't be fixed - I'm only saying that some people
have unrealistic expectations in knowing what is technically possible.
Sure, a lot more is possible than PDI have currently implemented, and the
implemented software has plenty of bugs to be squashed, but...

Saqib
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Saqib Shaikh
Sent: 05 August 2004 09:00
To: 'Braillenote List'
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] BN PK re missing files and E-mail problems

Hi Don

But I totally understand where you're coming from in your sarcasm.  For many
blind people who don't have the opportunity to learn how to use a computer,
the braille lite was marketed as a blind persons computer.  It was seen as a
device which would allow blind non-computer-users operate in a sighted
world.

>From experience: I went to a school for the blind where I was taught to 
>type
from the age of 10, and was fully preficient in using a word processor by
the age of 12.  Yes, people at my school were fortunate, but even then there
were some students in their final year of school (aged 18) who hadn't the
ability to grasp the complex nature of computers.  I'm not criticising such
people - but just pointing out that for some people learning to use a
computer and screen reader is not possible.  So these people wuld use
braille lites as electronic braillers, and after a bit of training could
learn to emboss from the braille lite for their personal reference and use a
dot matrix printer to print out work for their teachers.

Now, five years on, the braille lite is dead, the pacmate is too
complicated, and the BrailleNote has taken the place of the braille lite as
the electronic brailler.

But this is still absolutely fine, until people see "email", "web browser",
etc, and expect it to be an electronic brailler that is capable of doing the
same as a 3GHZ machine from Dell, etc.

I'm not sure there's any solution, except that the people who provide
training in using the BN should also make the customer aware of its
limitations.  I think there's sometimes a tendancy to hype a product when
training someone - afterall, it’s a brand new tool costing many thousands of
pounds!

Anywayk, just my $0.02 worth (at current exchange rates, £0.01.5

Saqib


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Bishop
Sent: 04 August 2004 23:20
To: Braillenote List
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] BN PK re missing files and E-mail problems

Sabahattin,

I was definitely being sarcastic.  I've been on this list for over 3 years
and maybe that's just too long.  But, time and time again, I hear people
wishing the bn could do all sorts of things which are really beyond the
capability of a notetaker or pda.  They seem to think it should be able to
be a replacement for their pc and it isn't.  

The bn is a great device and getting even better, but a pc it will never be,
certainly not with the current hardware configuration.  

But, this keeps coming up time and time again, and I really do wonder
sometimes  if people really do realize just what the capabilities and
limitations are of the device they're purchasing.  

I wish I had a count of messages on this over the last several years.  

Sorry I even mentioned it.

Email is sometimes just too easy to write.

Don

On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:09:07 +0100, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi Don,

On 4 Aug 2004 at 14:01, Don Bishop spoke, thus:

> Perhaps PDI should require that each new user of a bn be presented 
> with a document clearly explaining exactly what a braillenote is 
> intended to do and what it is not.  They should then be required to 
> read this document fully and sign a statement saying they have read it 
> and understand its contents fully.  Then, and only then, would they be 
> allowed to purchase a braillenote or other member of this product family.

I do sincerely hope that you are being sarcastic and don't mean any of what
you just said in any serious way.  Not only is it very unlikely that
PulseData would use such a scheme, unless there were no other way to justify
their failings in software design, but there is no way I and any other
righteously indignant person would submit to it.  These issues are not our
problems, in my opinion.  They are concerns for immediate attention by
PulseData developers.

To express my view from all possible vantage points (including technical,
but no less those of usability) on why I think these problems are no concern
of PulseData's userbase, the BrailleNote may be limited by functionality
because it is a notetaker and was built upon early foundations that were
suitable for that role, but if it strives to be called a PDA (and in the
newest form factor it will be hard to call it anything else when its
software is brought up to scratch to the satisfaction of all concerned) then
the current problems and customer experiences resulting from it are
reasonably unacceptable and need attention for technical resolution, rather
than user appreciation of why they exist and clumsy hacks and workarounds to
solve them.  An industry PDA either provides the features necessary to
overcome the problems described, provides the hardware and/or resources so
that the problems do not occur, provides the fixes so that the problems are
resolved immediately, or else fails gracefully without doing anything
dangerous or without the assumption that the human is possessed of
extraordinary computing intelligence necessary to resolve it when displaying
the appropriate diagnostics and/or error messages.  This is true even for
Non- Microsoft platforms - Microsoft are mentioned because they are
notorious for accomplishing these goals to the extremes, even if the
software itself is rubbish.  If you don't believe me, look at Outlook
Express - never has an email client been so utterly broken, yet its
usability is excellent - even granny could understand it.  There are some
simple things that want attention in this respect before I am ready to
excuse any limitation of hardware or software for the product's failings.
If my mobile phone can do it, my notetaker, with its stronger processor and
more abundant disk space, can do it.  There is simply no room for excuse
just yet, in my most objective view.  Of course, loyal users are going to
find fault with my apparent show of ingratitude, and technical people may or
may not argue the small points out.  But I'm afraid I still think we should
be rising to tackle these showstoppers professionally rather than simply
accept the proposition that the BrailleNote is inherently broken in various
places and fix them using dirty hacks.

I am sufficiently a list and newsposter to realise that what I have said may
cause messages of contained rage to be written in response, please remember
that I have everyone's interest at heart and am working hard to push the
product in a direction that I think would benefit everyone.  It doesn't
matter what the effect of this is, I am doing all I can.  How successful
this will be, I am not sure; I suppose constantly reminding PulseData to fix
something is annoying, but it is at least honest.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

--
Thought for the day:
    Dictatorship (n): a form of government under which everything 
    which is not prohibited is compulsory.


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