--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You say (and correct me if I'm misquoting) that gun
> control laws as described by Jeroen infringe on the
> rights of law-abiding citizens.
Correct. There was one part where I was stunned about
gun control procedures in his country, but that was an
aside.
>
> I reply:
> A. I'm confused by law-abiding citizens who want to
> have a right to break the law. I.e., if a gun
> control law is passed, and you don't like it, do you
> think you have a right to ignore it? If you do,
> aren't you not being law-abiding anymore?
>
I don't remember saying that anyone had the right to
break the law. I argue against the passing of further
laws controlling guns that are in the hands of people
who abide by the law.
> B. If you argue that you have a basic right to own a
> gun due to the Second Amendment, and a law banning
> or curtailing owning guns infringes on that right,
> there are two problems, as I see it:
>
> 1. The Supreme Court does not appear to agree ...
> and I saw your study of their decisions as cited by
> someone else, which seemed to me to amount to a
> waving of hands and saying "Oh, they're all just
> lawyers, anyway." Oh, and "Everyone else agrees with
> me." :)
>
Ah, I think there are several people on this list who
would disagree that's what my arguments boil down to.
I hope. I'd prefer if you didn't pick and choose,
then paraphrase, my best misquotes and ignore the
thrust of my argument.
> 2. In the specific case of gun control laws in the
> Netherlands, Jeroen may not have a _right_ to own a
> gun outlined in _his_ constitution, in which case
> the laws he described do not infringe on his _right_
> to own a gun. He has _no such right_. It cannot _be_
> infringed upon because it does not exist. This is
> based on conjecture on my part -- I know nothing
> about the constitution of the Netherlands.
>
That makes two of us. As I said above, I was just
stunned by what he described and wanted to know how he
felt about the aforementioned regs in his country. I
certainly didn't say what his country and his people
should do, and i'm not going to in the future.
<tongue firmly in cheek> It would be arrogant to tell
someone how their country should be conducting its
business.
> Hope that's clearer.
>
yes, thank you. =)
dean forster
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