> >> A few matters to clear up off-list first......
> >
> >None of this warrants offlist, I'm quite happy to leave it on.
>
> Glad you feel that way about people's personal e-mails.
I don't, usually, but that's the second time you've tried to take stuff
offlist that is as valid here. It's underhand, and I can't stand it. That's
not a personal e-mail, if you're just carrying straight on as if it was
on-list, with no more to add, and no personal content.
> >> Characterizing America as unfit to sit on the UNHCHR,
> >> and as being a "not-so-good democracy."
> >
> >That's how you read me. I didn't say the first, I said that
> America has no
> >more right than anybody else. As I have repeatedly explained to you.
>
> Untrue. You did say the first on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:58::
> "Anyway, while the US refuses to even discuss abolition of the
> death penalty,
> she has no place on a human rights commission."
Yes. And??? Can you not see that? I said nothing about any other countries,
because we were discussing America.
> There is nothing in the above that implies you are simply arguing that
> America and Iraq and Cambodia and Turkey have as much right as
> anybody else
> to sit on the UNHCHR. In the above, you are specifically singling out
> America.
Are you this pig-headed in real-life, or just behind your monitor? We were
TALKING ABOUT AMERICA. Why would I suddenly mention those other countries in
a discussion about America? ANY country that refuses to even discuss the
death penalty has no place discussing human rights, but we were discussing
America. It's the refusal to discuss the issue I take umbrage with.
> >The second: how can you even begin to be offended by that??? It's true!
>
> I completely disagree. I think that the US has one of the best forms of
> government in the world, and I cannot think of a single country's
> Constitution that I would trade our Constitution for.
You would. Your guy got in... ;o)
> >Yes, of course I understand how representative democracy is supposed to
> >work, but with referenda or proportional representation, it doesn't
> >represent the views of the people at all.
>
> So, your opinion then, is that there are *no* good democracies in the
> World? Are you saying that all the governments of the world are
> basically
> illegitimate?
I think most, if not all, need a serious rethink.
Rest in in a new post.
Charlie
