On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Marvin Long, Jr. wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Dean Forster wrote:
> 
> > Ah, well it would seem i'm being defensive and that's
> > clouding my perceptions.  Another time, perhaps.  I'm
> > fairly sure that I would write something to rival 'the
> > shining city on the hill' for its inflammatory-ness. 
> > =)
> 
> I think that America has tried to be a shining city on the hill from time
> to time; and I think that for many people, especially successful
> immigrants, America has been exactly that--at least by comparison to their
> points of origin.  Alas, the Camelot metaphor 

I thought it was Biblical, not Arthurian.

Of course, I can't remember names of sources to back that up, and if I get
up to dig out the concordance Sammy will pick that moment to begin
screaming and I'll have to deal with *that* and will forget what I was
about to do....  Plus I'm hungry and really ought to fix myself some food
while he's being quiet.  :P

        Julia


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