"John D. Giorgis" schreef:
> At 12:37 AM 6/3/01 +0200 Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote:
> >"John D. Giorgis" schreef:
> >
> >> At 02:20 PM 6/1/01 +0200 Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote:
> >> >Running across repetitions of statements by Americans like 'we founded the
> >> >united nations'
> >>
> >> Do you care to argue that we didn't? Or do you think the fact that the
> >> UN Treaty was signed in San Francisco and that the UN is based in NY are
> >> both just coincidences?
> >
> ><sarcastic mode>
> >OK, so according to you the US s i n g l e h a n d e d l y founded the UN.
> >Great accomplishment.
> ></sarcastic mode>
> >
> >Unfortunately it's not quite what I got from their history site. (Seems like
> >the UN is a little less arogant and a bit more sensitive about sharing
> fame and
> >glory then you are John). It states that 20 nations and 50 countries (51
> if you
> >count Polland) had a part in founding it. But hey who cares about the
> details,
> >right?
> >
> >http://www.un.org/aboutun/history.htm
>
> A very serious question for you, Sonja - Are you really so blinded by your
> vitriolic desire to tear down every accomplishment of the USA that you so
> literally can't see the forest through all of the trees blocking your
> viewpoint?
It is not a vitriolic desire. Just a mere anoyance at your wording of
accomplishments.
> OF COURSE 50 countries were there at the signing of the United Nations.
> BY DEFINITION, the USA couldn't found a United Nations with itself as the
> only member. Duh!
Wow. How nice of you to at least aknowledge that much. ;o)
> The most ironic thing, of course, is that even the very link you cited
> gives Franklin Delano Roosevelt credit for inventing the term "United
> Nations" in an original declaration issued in 1942.
Never said he didn't.
> Once again, do you think that it is pure coincidence that the UN Charter
> was written at a Conference in San Francisco, and that the UN HQ is in New
> York City?
So what? That makes it an American accomplishment? Whatever makes you happy John.
But I'd guess that most countries wouldn't be too happy with that wording.
> Do you think that the United Nations would have been founded without
> Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and the United States?
> Do you have any evidence whatsoever that another country acted as the
> driving force behind the creation of the United Nations?
Let's reverse that question then. Do you think that only the efforts of the US are
worth mentioning even if founding and maintaining this organisation is more of a
group accomplishment?
Btw who owes the greatest financial dept to the UN?
Sonja
