--- Christopher Gwyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > What you call freedom ain't free. 
>       B******t.
>

Ahh, that's bullshit.  Everything in magical socialist
land is free for all, somebody else pays for it. 
wheee!
 
> > Shall we compare
> > how much of a given 'socialist' country's (your
> pick)
>       ok - i'll pick the United States of America, one of
> my favourites.
> 
> > money gets eaten up in governmental red tape as
> > compared to where the money goes in the more
> heavily
> > private sector services provided in the US?  How
> about
> > the quality and availability of those same
> services?
>       are you happy with your medical care? 

yep, i'm healthy. 

do you get
> enough to eat?

too much, actually

 do
> you have opportunities for further education?
> etc

yep, but too busy wasting my time on the internet.  ;)

.... do you feel
> that the ways that you receive those opportunities
> are reasonable?

yeah.  Though i suppose i could whine and cry and have
them spoon fed to me, but that would be to the
detriment of the whole.  hmmm...

> would you like to change those methods in some ways?

of course, there's always room for improvement.  I put
my favorite fix for American health care in another
lengthly post. 

> how would you go
> about generalizing your favoured solutions so that
> everyone is able
> to receive the same benefits as you? 

everyone in America?  actually, the poor are better
off than I, they don't really pay anything.  The
working poor are the worst off, but they will still
get care if they're really bad.  And if it's an
expensive/new/complex procedure, there's a less than
1% chance that anyone in the spectrum will be denied. 
Can you say the same of your system?  It's the
strength of a system that values individuals, and it
goes along quite nicely with the hypocratic* oath.  

(remember
> 'fee-for-service'
> medical care is 'socialized medical care' when
> everyone in society
> has enough money to pay the physician. but if there
> are people who
> are 'following the rules' and 'working hard' who
> can't afford to pay
> the physician then something else still needs to be
> done.)
> 

Like I said above, something is done.

dean

*I sure hope I spelled that right, I don't want to be
embarassed by you again when you expose my poor
capitalist education.

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