On 20 Jul 2001, at 1:50, Ronn Blankenship wrote:

Date sent:              Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:50:37 -0500
> > > So far, pretty much all socialist utopias have rapidly ended as
> > > totalitarian regimes, and I don't see much chance of that changing
> > > until there is a change in the baser nature of man.
> >
> >Ahem, all LARGE SCALE socalist utopias...
> >
> >The Kibbutz movement in Israel has survived fifty years, with much of
> >it's origional drive and purpose intact, and is an important part of
> >Isralie society....
> >
> >Communism works fine on the micro scale.
> 
> Or, one could argue that the success of the Kibbutz movement may have
> something to do with the religious beliefs of the people involved
> helping them to overcome their baser nature . . .

Actually, only a minority of the Kibbutzim are religious, most are 
secular, some radically so. A whole cross-section of Isralie 
religious and political views share in the movement, it's driven more 
by a respect for the land itself.

Andy
Dawn Falcon

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