We _are_ going to hit  civilian targets.  We're going to do everything we possibly 
can to avoid
> this, but we _are_ going to hit civilian targets.  It _is_ going to happen.
> Anyone who says that the moral criterion is "no civilian casualties" is
> living in a fantasy world.  It is absolutely impossible to reach that
> threshold of reliability.  The most you can ask - all that the Geneva
> conventions ask - is that soldiers make all reasonable efforts to avoid
> hitting civilian targets.  This we are, clearly, doing.
> 
So right now I figure that those guys are leading. 
We have by their estimates killed 21 civilians; The terrorists have killed >5500. 
> Gautam


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