----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:25 PM Subject: "Under God" (Was Re: Tragedy in Israel)
> In a message dated 12/5/01 6:23:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > << > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: Robert Seeberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Verzonden: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 01:46 > > > Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Onderwerp: Re: Tragedy in Israel > > > > > > > Minor quibble - despite the best efforts of the current US > > > > > President, the United States is not a Christian country. > > > > > > > > That is not how it looks from outside the US. Let?s see. You let your > > > > children pledge allegiance to the flag every school day. Quote from > > > > that pledge: "one nation, under God". A quite large area of the US is > > > > > > "One nation under God" was added to the pledge in a stupid attempt to > > > fight athiest commies. Was this in the 50s? Anyone? > > > > Well, now that the threat of atheist commies is gone (assuming that threat > > was ever real), would it not be about time to remove that phrase from the > > pledge? > > > There is indeed movement in that direction. But the "pledge" is very > unofficial, so its up to locals to change it as they see fit >> > > And the movement may go nowhere except in liberal areas of the country > because the idea may be viewed as anti-American. Removing "under God" from a > pledge of Allegiance might be viewed by some as anti-American, but this > shouldn't be a surprise if you understand our history. > > Jeroen, you might consider reading any piece of US currency. It says "In God > We Trust". Re-read the major founding US documents: Declaration of > Independence or the US Constitution. The phrase "under God" may have been > added in the 50's, but it comes from a much older tradition in this country > of Judeo-Christian values. And, I'm re-iterating myself here... this country > was founded on and by extension its founding laws were designed around > Judeo-Christian values. But our laws are secular ones that do not interfere > with, promote or attack any religion. > I disagree on one point. Instead of Judeo/christian values, I would claim self-evident values. But it likely depends on the specific instance which would apply. xponent quibblemiester rob
