> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Alberto Monteiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Verzonden: maandag 10 december 2001 20:49
> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Onderwerp: Re: Tragedy in Israel


> >Those individuals might be in fact guilty, true.  But the question is
> >about the standards to which we hold ourselves before we allow
> >ourselves to say we *know* someone is guilty.  Is Mr. Mustafah guilty
> >just because a government official tells me he is?  No.
>
> Is Mr Mustafah guilty just because he was filmed in the company of
> other (known) terrorists, while he was holding a machine gun and
> pointing it at the head of a 5-year-old children?

No, that film can be used in a court of law, and serve as evidence. It is up
to the judges to decide he is guilty (based on that evidence). Yeah, I know,
technicalities...

<Lawyer Mode>
The fact that my client was seen in the company of assumed terrorists only
implies that he seeks the company of the wrong people; it is not proof that
he is himself a terrorist. The fact that my client was holding a gun to
someone's head also does not mean that he is a terrorist. The only thing my
client can be accused of is threatening that child, and illegal possession
of a fire arm.
</Lawyer Mode>


> Bah. If the above mentioned shooter escaped the police siege, stole a
> car (by killing its driver; why not?) and started fleeing with this
> car, do you think it would be reasonable to blow up his car? This
> wouldn't be self defense.

True. That would be use of excessive force by the police.


Jeroen

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