I've thought about it a bit and read about it a bit and I don't think that anything I've heard about constitutes human rights abuses but I've got a serious problem with John's post below.
Do we or don't we believe in the principal of innocent until proven guilty? It's not the kind of thing we can apply selectively, is it? John, and apparently many others have, by making statements like these, pronounced all of these detainees guilty without even the benefit of their military tribunal. John D. Giorgis wrote: > At 08:23 PM 1/12/02 +0100 J. van Baardwijk wrote: > >>>JDG - Who thinks that if the US treatment of these prisoners is violating >>>human rights, then we should hold a party - because clearly all the serious >>>human rights abuses in the world have been solved. >>> >>Very bad taste, John. Your statement suggests you believe human rights >>abuses come in two categories: serious ones, and ones that are not >>serious. :-( >> > > Yes, Jeroen I absolutely believe that. > > Let us consider the following human rights that are possibly at issue here: > 1) The right of a prisoner, who was trained to crash airplanes into > buildings, to not be shackled, restrained, and/or hooded during a 20 hour > flight on an airplane. > > 2) The right of a prisoner, who was trained to crash airplanes into > buildings, and who also attempts to resist peaceable transport to trial on > a 20-hour airplane flight, to not be sedated. > > *If* these are violations of human rights, Jeroen, these are violations of > human rights of the most minor and insignificant sort. Whatever resources > Amnesty International devoted to these violations would almost surely have > had a greater net effect on the well-being of humanity had those resources > been directed towards the human rights abuses of at least a dozen other > countries. > > Indeed, even if the above *is* violation of human rights, then these > prisoners are probably some of the best treated prisoners in the long > history of humanity, if for no other fact than that the government holding > these prisoners openly lets people declare the above treatment to not just > be "not nice" but unjust and immoral as well. > -- Doug email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zo.com/~brighto Irreverence is the champion of liberty. Mark Twain - Notebook, 1888
