> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Robert Seeberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Verzonden: donderdag 31 januari 2002 1:15
> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Onderwerp: Re: Calling someone a Nazi is OK?? (Was: Re: Etiquette)
> > >To try and intimidate a listmember into silence is vile. There is
> > >no defense and no justification for those actions.
> >
> > The listowners are NOT trying to intimidate anyone into silence, in
> > case that is what you believe. If we believe some action should be
> > taken against someone, we will not take that action lightly. If we
> > are going to unsubscribe someone, it will be done only after
> > thoroughly discussing the matter in public and giving the offender a
> > chance to improve his behaviour.
>
> Yet the first visible action was a threat from someone the list sees
> once a year at best.
So what if you usually do not hear from Eileen? Most subscribers to Brin-L
are in lurk mode and never come out of it. Off the top of my head, there are
nowadays maybe 60-70 active posters while there are over 300 subscribers.
Eileen is primary listowner, so in a way you could see her as "the boss".
When you are at work, would you want to hear from your boss continuously,
commenting on your work? Personally, I hold the position that the less I see
and hear my boss, the better it is.
> > Eileen, Julia and yours truly are NOT the listowners from Hell.
>
> Yet.
> Keep in mind that you are being judged by the listmembers.
> This has all the appearance of being heavyhanded.
I am slowly getting angry with people like you and Gautam. To whom did you
turn a few years ago when some guy was throwing obscenities around on this
list? The listowners, because they are the ones that could ban him. Who do
you turn to when you have a problem with your subscription ("Help! I can not
send messages to the List!")? The listowners, because they are the ones who
can (and do) solve the problem for you.
But now, when we perform one of our other duties (pointing out to a poster
that he needs to clean up his act), we get accused of issuing "threats",
intimidation, and being on our way to become listowners from Hell. If we
were all that, we would not even have bothered to tell you anything but
would have simply banned John. But that is not the way we work.
Now, go stand over there in the corner, face towards the wall, and bow your
head in shame.
Jeroen
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