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Gautam wrote:
> 
>> The most recent example that still hurts was the
>> replacement of the Communist regime of Afghanistan
>> by the Talibans. It was a replacement of _bad_ by _worse_,
>> and it was fully supported by the USA.
> 
> Not true.  That's one of those nice pieces of mythology
> that has been created over the last year because it
> makes people like Jeroen happy, 
>
If it is a fable, then it certainly has some moral lessons,
like "do not support evil psychotic genociders even when
they are the enemies of your enemy".

> but it's not true.  The US never supported the Taliban
> in Afghanistan in any meaningful fashion at all.  Up
> until about 1989 or so we supported the
> people who would eventually become the Northern Alliance.
>
Ok, but this Northern Alliance was a bunch of evil
rapist genociders, whose replacement by Taliban came
as a _relief_ to most afghanis.

>
>> The purpose of WW2 was destroying the Nazi regime.
>> The price of this destruction was giving Poland etc to
>> Stalin.
> 
>
> So you're comfortable with that, 
>
No, I am not; but I am realistic enough to consider that
freeing Poland from Stalin would be too costly.

> but not when a similar choice is made in
> other places.  Well, I'm not comfortable with that
> choice _anywhere_, but sometimes, hard choices do
> have to be made.
>
I agree. But again this is not my point :-)

>> My point in bringing up Vietnam is that this is an example
>> of the policy of chosing a corrupt ally instead of a
>> moderately evil enemy.
> 
> But our corrupt ally was a lot better than the evil
> enemy.  A simple note - during 20 years of war, very
> few refugees left South Vietnam.  When the
> North Vietnamese took over - tens of thousands fled the
> country at great risk to their lives.  This should tell
> you something about the North Vietnamese government.
>
No, it tells me that Vietnam was pretty much devastated
during the War. Or maybe that it was easier to flee in
times of peace than in times of war.

Alberto Monteiro

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