At 11:21 20-4-02 -0400, Erik Reuter blated:

> > Not this again. How often do I have to repeat THAT I DO NOT HATE
> > JEWS? How often do I have to repeat that I do not hate Jews, because I
> > HAVE NO REASON TO HATE JEWS? How often do I have to repeat that before
> > you stop your slander and realise you are wrong?
> >
> > You (and some other people) keep insisting that I hate Jews. Then
> > tell me: what reason do I have to hate Jews? You are so convinced
> > that I am anti-Semitic that answering this question should be easy
> > for you. (And no, being critical of a country's actions does not
> > constitute anti-Semitism.)
> >
> > And to answer your question: no, I would not be furious if the
> > Israelis pulled back -- I would be extremely pleased to see it happen.
>
>Let me offer a possible explanation here.

Ha ha. Very funny. NOT.

Your attempt at humour failed. Your post is not in any way funny -- 
although you probably think it is hilarious. But then, this is not exactly 
the first time you try to be "funny" at the expense of someone else.

If I did not know who was writing this crap, it would almost be humorous. 
Fortunately, I *do* know who wrote this piece of hate-mail, so I know it is 
not intended to be humorous but intended as a personal attack, so I do not 
have to take it seriously. Your attempt to ridicule me is noted, though, 
and will be added to your permanent Brin-L record.

And then of course, there is the small matter of you writing a reply 
without actually answering the question. What you are spouting here is 
nothing but the usual shit people like you produce when someone refuses to 
agree with you. I ask for actual prove that I hate Jews, and you reply with 
a load of garbage. I will therefore consider your reply to be a statement 
that you have no such proof but are unwilling to actually say so. (Probably 
because it clashes with your belief that criticism of Israel equals 
anti-Semitism.)


>Over the years, people have repeatedly said Jeroen holds a twisted world
>view and does not see there are actually many dire consequences of the
>positions he advocates and the things he says.

Yeah, well, how can I? I mean, I am only a stupid moronic European, right? 
Someone who is by definition incapable of seeing that pitifull 
self-righteous Americans like you are morally far superior to anyone else 
in this whole god-damned world, right? I am utterly incapable of seeing 
that everyone should praise the US for their arrogant imperialistic 
attitude and we all should strive to become like you, right? As an 
European, I am by definition anti-American and very much anti-Semitic -- of 
course I am, because I totally fail to see how right Israel is in her 
brutal oppression and persecution of Palestinians, right? Of course Israel 
is right -- it has the US for a friend, and we all know that the US is 
superior to the rest of the world, right? And so what if Israel might 
actually be wrong -- they suffered in the past so that completely justifies 
their aggression, right?

But you know what, Erik? I do not give a shit anymore. I do not care about 
what the likes of you think, since the only thing your kind is capable of 
is throwing utterly false accusations in people's faces (and refusing to 
provide proof) and ridiculing them when they disagree with you. You are so 
drowning in self-righteousness that any discussion with your kind is a 
total waste of time. And since discussion is what this list is all about, I 
think it is time for you to find some other mailing list to spew your 
hate-mail. Surely you should be able to find something like Anti-Arab-L or 
Israel-Is-Right-L or Eurobashing-L or Praise-America-L where you can join 
others of your kind.

I have had it with people like you. I have enough of your incessant whining 
and your constant accusations of anti-Semitism which you still do not 
manage to prove. But you probably do not give a shit about that, either.

But will I be unsubscribing now? I have thought about it. But no, I am not 
going to. Why? Because it is obvious there are still people here who need 
to be guided. Although people like you and JDG will probably deny it, deep 
inside you would be more than happy to see me leave. But I am not going to 
give you that pleasure. Rather, I will continue to point out the flaws in 
your arguments and try to guide you into becoming people who can behave 
like civilised adults. (On the off-chance that I will actually succeed in 
guiding you.)


>Personally, I think that
>is still the case. Considering any and all criticism of something he
>loves dearly (his ideas) to be "bashing" and not seeing it as legitimate
>criticism fits that profile perfectly.
>Note that Jeroen repeatedly and gratuitously makes comparisons between
>what he opposes and the Nazis, even when any reasonable person would
>realize that such a comparison will only obscure the issue at hand.

Actually, it is people like you who are incapable of understanding that 
there might be parallels. The problem with people like you is that you are 
so convinced that Israel is justified in its aggression that you are 
incapable of seeing those parallels. Rather, you immediately assume that if 
someone points out *one* thing Israel and the Nazis have in common, the 
poster means that Israel and the Nazis are identical -- even when that 
poster repeatedly states that he does not believe that. It is people like 
you who are obscuring the issue, not me.

But then, you will probably be incapable of noticing that as well.


>Also note that Jeroen launches attacks on America, similar to some
>things the Nazis did, but considers *that* to be legitimate and not
>evil.

And exactly what kind of attacks might that be? Did I deport Americans? No. 
Did I massacre Americans? No. Is there anything I did to America that the 
Nazis did to America? No again. In other words, your are only spouting more 
crap and hatred of anything and anyone who disagrees with you. JDG must 
love you...


Jeroen "can you tell I am furious?" van Baardwijk

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