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> Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Verzonden: dinsdag 30 april 2002 23:46
> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Onderwerp: And here we go again.
> From the nature of Jeroen's posts, he is, in his capacity as
> ListOwner/Moderator, once again threatening list members.
First, my being a co-listowner has nothing to do with any of this. Second, I
am not a moderator because this is an unmoderated list. Third, it is over
the top to call it a threat -- unless you believe you will be personally
harmed by the existence of a record of misbehaviour.
> In our previous episode, he merely threatened various people with
> banishment.
I never threatened anyone with banishment. I have pointed out that
misbehaviour could lead to banishment.
> Now he is threatening to create a "Bitch Site"
If it lists cases of misbehaviour without my personal comment, how can it be
bitching? By that definition, a person's criminal record would be a
"Bitching Document".
And even if I would give my personal opinion, how exactly is such a site
threatening? Are you going to lose your job when your boss does a Google
search on your name and finds that site? Is your wife going to file for
divorce because of it? Are your friends going to turn their back on you
because of it? After all, it would only be threatening if you would suffer
from it.
> in which our comments will most likely be taken out of context
Your assumption is false.
> and will definitely be judged according to his own opinions.
Of course, since I will be the one doing the work.
> I don't personally have a problem with people taking my words and
> spreading them all over the net, so long as they do so in the context
> in which I posted them.
You do not have a problem with it, yet at the same time you consider it
threatening. You are contradicting yourself here.
> And, Jeroen has a right to do so. They are, after all a matter of
> *public* record.
>
> But I don't think that anyone who's a list moderator or a list owner
> should do so with the express intent of giving their opinion about
> what's being posted.
Why should listowners not be allowed to give their opinion about what is
being posted? The whole point of being on a discussion list is giving your
opinion...
> I certainly don't think repeatedly threatening list members is
> appropriate behavior for a listowner/moderator.
Again, my being a listowner is unrelated to all this, and we do not have
moderators.
> And editing posts to point out what he terms 'misbehavior' fits a
> description of 'out of context.' This is wrong.
Nonsense. I have said nothing about "editing posts" and as long as you have
not seen anything of such a site, you cannot judge whether it is "out of
context".
Further, some things are by definition misbehaviour -- unless you consider
insults ("you live in a paranoid fantasy world") and unproven accusations
("you are anti-Semitic") to be not misbehaviour but statements of fact.
> It is my opinion that by
> a) repeatedly and unapologetically threatening list members (how many
> times does this make, has anyone kept count?)
Ah, so now *I* am supposed to apologise, right? Well, why do I not hear
anyone going on about apologies for all those personal attacks and all those
unwarranted accusations against *me*? Is there some double standard at play
here, something like "Europeans must apologise for anything that *might* be
considered offensive by someone, but Americans can slander and accuse all
they want"? It certainly looks like that... :-(
> and b) announcing that he is constructing a web site in which our posts
> will be taken out of context
That is a wild assumption. I look forward to seeing you prove that anything
will be taken out of context.
> and attacked according to a self-imposed standard,
Not attacked, only listed.
> that Jeroen is overstepping himself as a ListOwner/Moderator.
And for the third time in this message, my being a co-listowner is totally
unrelated to this and we do not have moderators.
Jeroen
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