Maybe we need to rename this list into Brin-Law.. -j-
> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Harney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:42 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Attention Jeroen and Erik > > > I am sending my reply to the Brin-L simply because I am > operating under the assumption that Erik sent a copy of a > list post to me from a different email address because I said > that I had killfiled him. If this was a private message, I > appologize to Erik and the other list members bringing this > up in public, but I have not recieved the digest yet to see > if he posted it publically and don't want to postpone replying. > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 10:49:49PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote: > > > > > Erik, I know that easydns is your DNS provider for e-mail > > > forwarding, it took me a whole 2 minutes to find out. > > > > Looks like you need to spend some more minutes. EasyDNS is my DNS > > provider. They don't touch my email. > > Wrong, the very nature of DNS means that they do effect your > email... they forward it to the proper server. Without DNS > records for your domain you would not be able to recieve any > mail. Additionally, many mail servers will not accept mail > from domains that lack DNS records. > > > > One e-mail from Jeroen could possibly lead to your e-mail > forwarding > > > service being terminated. > > > > Not bloodly likely. I did not slander Jeroen. It is all a > fantasy in > > his head. Which you apparently got caught up in. More > likely that you > > would get sued for posting pornographic dolphin sex material in a > > public forum. > > > > -- > > "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.erikreuter.net/ > > This is libel. > > No, that is not a fantasy/delusion. You have exagerated > something I said into something it is not. You are saying in > writing that I did or said something I did not do or say. > Your unsuportable allegation that I posted > *pornographic* dolphin sex material in a public forum is > libel. The message I posted was not pornographic, but don't > take my word for it, look up the legal definition of > pornography, and you can see for yourself that my message did > not meet the criterion for pornography. Let's take it a step > further. If I were to say instead "If I loved a woman > enough, I would want to share the joys and pleasures of sex > with them." (virbatim what I said in my message *4 years ago* > with the word "dolphin" replaced with "woman") Is that > pornographic writing? No, it is not. The mere mention of > sex does not make it pornographic. If the mere mention of > sex made it pornographic, then it means that any sex > education materials, many nature shows, many sci-fi and other > fiction and non-fiction books, any movie that mentions or > non-graphically depicts sex, etc., are pornographic, but that > is not the case. By law, *graphic depictions* of sex are > pornographic. The mention or discussion of sex (whether > "normal" or "deviant") in a non-graphic manner is not > pornography. Changing the subject of the quote above does > not suddenly change a non-pornographic sentence into a > pornographic one, so saying I posted porographic materials is > libel, and you are guilty of it. > > I am sorry to see that you have no intention in ending the > current thread in a mature manner. Perhaps it was too much > for me to expect maturity from you. This discussion between > us is over unless you are willing to discuss it maturely and > rationally. In case you are wondering about what I mean by > mature and rational discussion: Rational, mature discussion > does not envolve flames, unsupported positions, > outdated/irrelivant information (such as 4 year old posts), > exagerations, or stereotype generalizations (straw men). To > expand on that, rational, mature discussion discusses facts > (such as science and laws) and opinions and uses facts to > support opinions. For example, my above discussion of what > does and does not constitute pornography and libel which > reference the facts of law to support my position. > Additionally unsupported positions are excluded or labeled as > such in rational, mature discussion. > > BTW, no need to send me copies of messages off-list. Right > now I am on digest, and can't filter out your messages except > by old fassioned ignoring them. Even when I am not on > digest, my "killfile" doesn't delete the messages outright, > it is a folder I named "file 13" that I have all "killfiled" > messages sent to. I can still read such messages, I just > know how much weight to put in them in advance if I chose to > read them. > > Michael Harney > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > We do not inherit the Earth from our parents; we borrow it > from our children. - Native American Phylosophy > >
