At 08:01 PM 9/22/2002 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote:
>I think the point is that people who make minimum wage should be *able* to
>afford housing but are not able too.

I disagree with this.    There is no reason why a high school teenager
flipping burgers at McDonald's *should* be paid enough to afford a
two-bedroom apartment.   And, I should note, the very definition of a
minimum wage job is what you pay the lowest-rung worker, which would be a
high-schooler flipping burgers.  Intents, Shminets, the definition of
"minumum wage" is the minimum.

Secondly, these "statistics" almost certainly arrive at their result by
making use of "averages" for a Metropolitan Area.    Yet, a minimum wage
worker, by definition, is probably demanding *minimum* housing, not
*average* housing.   For example, I pay $605/month for a very spacious
one-bedroom apartment in a neighborhood dominated by immigrants.    Many of
my colleagues from work who live in some of the neighborhoods around here
dominated by white 20-somethings pay as much as $900-$1000 for a studio
apartment.

Thirdly, the idea that poor workers cannot afford housing is easily
disproven by simply *meeting* immigrants to this country.    For example,
there are "regulars" at my Church that represent 105 different national
heritages.    Just this weekend, I met three immigrants from Cameroon and
four others from Coite d'Ivoire for the first time.   As you might imagine,
a great many of them are arriving here without much in the way of skills.
As you also might imagine, not all of them are living on the streets.

Fourthly, our perspective on the "poor" in this country needs to be
tempered by the fact that the many social statistics in this country are
dragged down by the presence of immigrants.    For example, if a family of
four from El Salvador arrives in this country with few skills and lives in
a one-bedroom apartment with clean water, sanitary plumbing, and central
heating - has this country failed this family or succeeded for it?

JDG

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