> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> At 08:01 PM 9/22/2002 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote:
> >I think the point is that people who make minimum wage should be
*able* to
> >afford housing but are not able too.
> 
> I disagree with this.    There is no reason why a high school teenager
> flipping burgers at McDonald's *should* be paid enough to afford a
> two-bedroom apartment.   And, I should note, the very definition of a
> minimum wage job is what you pay the lowest-rung worker, which would be
a
> high-schooler flipping burgers.  Intents, Shminets, the definition of
> "minumum wage" is the minimum.
> 
> Secondly, these "statistics" almost certainly arrive at their result by
> making use of "averages" for a Metropolitan Area.    Yet, a minimum
wage
> worker, by definition, is probably demanding *minimum* housing, not
> *average* housing.   For example, I pay $605/month for a very spacious
> one-bedroom apartment in a neighborhood dominated by immigrants.   
Many of
> my colleagues from work who live in some of the neighborhoods around
here
> dominated by white 20-somethings pay as much as $900-$1000 for a studio
> apartment.
> 
> Thirdly, the idea that poor workers cannot afford housing is easily
> disproven by simply *meeting* immigrants to this country.    For
example,
> there are "regulars" at my Church that represent 105 different national
> heritages.    Just this weekend, I met three immigrants from Cameroon
and
> four others from Coite d'Ivoire for the first time.   As you might
imagine,
> a great many of them are arriving here without much in the way of
skills.
> As you also might imagine, not all of them are living on the streets.
> 
> Fourthly, our perspective on the "poor" in this country needs to be
> tempered by the fact that the many social statistics in this country
are
> dragged down by the presence of immigrants.    For example, if a family
of
> four from El Salvador arrives in this country with few skills and lives
in
> a one-bedroom apartment with clean water, sanitary plumbing, and
central
> heating - has this country failed this family or succeeded for it?

All of this logic I expect from a right wing.  It's the job of the rich
to make themselves richer at the expense of the poor.  Right wing
politicians have always consistently done this.

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