Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: >My opinion on listmail is that if you don't like what somebody has >to say, ignore it.
Good advice, Sonja. Not everyone seems to be able to just ignore some things that annoy them about others, though. I'm not sure how they're going to learn that skill. >One thing I did observe with increasing amazement is that most on >this list were very paranoid against the 'powers of Jeroen' who in >effect never did anything, and didn't have the power to do anything >much at that, to warrent that extreme form of paranoia shown. Except that he owns Brin-L.com, and has already proven once before to be more than willing to use it as his personal soapbox on the ills of the list. To be fair, that may be what has some people "paranoid." >Only... now that Nick is list administrator or should I say in effect >list owner..... most of you are also just as happy to enter on the >road of censorship by setting up a dinging system. only thing >I can say is that it feels strange.... very strange that everybody so >paranoid toward Jeroen without any power to speak of is so trusting >all at once toward Nick who in effect holds all the power on this >list. I *believe* the dinging system is intended to be for everyone to use, not just Nick. I understand that you may be saying Nick could censor someone on the Q.T., but I imagine he could already do that if he so desired. I certainly hope that will never happen/ >I feel that if you are upset enough to ding someone you should at >least have the courage to stand by that and accept the consequenses >be it mailbombing or whatever. I agree that it should be public, perhaps even with an explanation. I certainly *hope* that the dingee would not resort to mailbombs, though. :) >As people in Europe keep saying you cannot in advance punish someone >for something that person hasn't yet done. Admittedly a very un-US >standpoint at the moment but in my opinion it still holds. It's only become an un-US attitude in the past year and seven weeks or so. I suppose it's the old "a liberal is just a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet" attitude. I don't agree entirely with the pre-emptive strike idea, but I don't totally disagree with it either. Anyway... >The thing that struck me somewhat is that DB is the one suggesting >this system. [as mentioned by Nick system">]. For an advocate of transperancy and the >one who coined >the idea of IAAMOAC I feel that DB (if this is indeed true), by >suggesting the introduction of a dinging system, has just lost a >considerable number of credits on my scale of respect. Do we know if he intended for the dings to be anonymous? Anyone? >BUT I'm really absolutely totally completely sick and tired of >people telling me what an 'ignorant fool', 'arrogant basterd' >or 'fucking son of a bitch' etc.... my husband is. Well, that's just plain messed up. The folks that have the temerity to insult your husband to you in such a way need a serious lesson in manners at the very least. Jeroen can be difficult at times, and yes he bugs me sometimes as I do him, I'm sure, but I can't imagine asking you to handle it, and especially not accompanied by that kind of disparagement. Shame on those of you that did that. Seriously. Jim _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
