On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, J. van Baardwijk wrote:
> At 18:57 09-12-2002 -0600, Marvin Long wrote:
>
> >Formal statements of apology or reformed intent should not be required for
> >mere on-list etiquette offenses, at least not for first or second offenses.
> >(Off-list offenses that go beyond breaches of etiquette may be quite another
> >matter, however.)
>
> I must disagree with this. Off-list offenses are a private matter between
> the sender and the recipient, and therefore it is for the recipient (and
> only the recipient) to decide how to deal with it (kill-filing, flaming
> back, filing an abuse report with the offender's ISP). As an off-list
> offense by definition does not take place on-list, it is not for the
> listowners or the community as a whole to punish the offender.
IMO, an offlist offense that a) targets the server itself, or b) targets
the membership of the list via bcc and/or forged headers, etc.,
constitutes an "on-list" (or perhaps "list-related") offense in the sense
that it is perpetrated against the list itself ("the list" being congruent
with its membership, as facilitated by a given server). So, "off-list"
cannot be assumed to imply "unrelated to the list."
In other words I sort of agree with you, but I think there are ways to
threaten or harm a list that do not involve on-list breaches of
etiquette. Countering such acts may justify requirements or assurances
that go beyond the discipline reserved for something mundane like an
egregious flame.
>
> >(Attempting the same thing over and over again while expecting different
> >results is the definition of insanity, someone said.)
>
> As someone who gets paid to solve problems that are related to M$ Windows,
> I can assure you that doing the exact same thing over and over again
> actually does quite often produce different results. :-)
>
> Guess I just admitted to being insane... :-)
No, just that Windows is insane. <bg>
Marvin Long
Austin, Texas
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Poindexter & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly the USA)
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