No, you said:From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Desktop Icon Utility Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:21:51 +0100> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Verzonden: donderdag 16 januari 2003 6:52 > Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Onderwerp: RE: Desktop Icon Utility > > It's the kind of thing that can be very easily interpreted the way > > Jeroen did. > > Yes, but it's *his* interpretation. Not mine. No, it is not my interpretation; I was pointing out how it was likely to be interpreted, based on this list's history of responding to that kind of statements.
"Uh-oh!
Of course you realise you are going to be flamed for implying that the Bush
Administration is not unlike the government of Nazi Germany..."
I'll be very clear here: You said that I had implied that the Bush administration is not unlike the government of Nazi Germany. Since I did not say that or imply it anywhere in my post, your statement that I had was your interpretation.
Jeroen, I'm not trying to be rude... I just wanted to make my intentions clear. I did not make any connections between my government and that of Nazi Germany in my post. You did.
I won't ignore it -- I haven't in the past, either. :)> This should be a surprise to no one. He's been quite vocally anti- > american for years now. I've said it before and I will say it again (although people will probably just ignore it again): criticism of American policies does not equal anti-Americanism.
You're right, of course, if you had held your criticisms of us to American policies then I wouldn't be judging you to be anti-American.
In last the couple of years, you've criticized American gov't domestic and foreign policy, the current (and previous) American president and the Republican party, the religious beliefs, morals and policies of at least one American religion, American cultural, legal and political attitudes towards a variety of subjects and badmouthed at least one American city's traffic, pollution and crime rate. (Ok, that last one doesn't say you're anti-American per se, but I took it personally. *grin*)
You're very outspoken about us. You have not restrained your negative comments about us to political concepts. I would be the first to admit that my country has flaws. Large, prominent flaws. But you're outspokenly negative about us often enough across so many topics that I don't think my assessment is inaccurate. When was the last time you spoke positively about America and Americans? (I'm honestly curious here... can you find an instance in the archives?)
Yes, we were attacked by people who originated from another region of the world. But they were living here unnoticed (and illegally in some cases) for a period of time before they acted against us. They had homes, cars and went to school. They had false identities. They were regulars at strip clubs and banks and gas stations. So, IMO, a certain degree of cautiousness isn't a bad idea. I do have concerns about the current lengths my government is going to and I stated them in other posts earlier today.> In Nazi Germany circa the early 1930's the German government created > fear and loathing of several groups of people by merely accusing them of > treason against the state and worse without evidence. Those groups had > done nothing to the government or its people before being rounded up and > murdered. > > By contrast, we were physically attacked on September 11th and the proof > was seen by the entire world. However, the US was attacked by people from an other region of the world, but many of the government's measures are directed against its own population.
I answered my concerns about this in another post earlier... if you'd like, I'd be happy to reiterate 'em. :)I don't think turning the country into one huge police state is going to prevent terrorist attacks coming from outside the country.
Jon
C.J.: "The more photo-friendly of the two turkeys gets a Presidential pardon and a full life at a children's petting zoo.� The other one gets eaten."
Pres. Bartlet: "If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch."
~The West Wing~
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