--- Halupovich Ilana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote
I snipped parts where we agreed (or mostly so ;) ). [me] 1] Very Black And White...[man vs. sheep] [I] Very Black And White - yes...but it is not so > about characters - for example Eddie and "Wet Nurse" Um, I don't remember those particulars, but are they perhaps Dark Gray? :) > [me]<<2] Bizarre view of the relationship between the > sexes,>> [I] Here I agree... [me] <<I don't know if she herself had been abused in > some fashion [I] Not, according to her biographies... [me] <<And ...the 'heroine' seems to be > unable to have genuine > friendships with other women, but must derive 'all' > her self-worth from her relationships with men. >> > [I] The idea is your self-worth from yourself. <SHRUG> Do any of her women characters have such relationships - or good mother-daughter, sister-sister ones if not friendship? Or do you think that I'm overstating the above re: 'measures herself against men' idea? (Possible, b/c I took quite a dislike to the main character! and a big "duh!" there, huh?) > <<4] Lack of community - at least to me, those who > lived in the secret > valley were kind of traveling in the same direction, > but not as a true group/team.>> > > They worked together, their doings benefited each > other, what's more? Kolhoz? Could you define that last word? TIA :) To me, the valley people were not 'connected,' although they did work together. > <<5] Presumption - arrogance is expected in anyone > who excels, but to > dismiss all who do not hold your views as > weak-minded or stupid is excessive.>> > > As any other "true believer" in "true religion". Well, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there, because while I'm a believer (and arrogant!) I am not presumptious (sp?); I *have* changed my mind/ideas if they are shown to be incorrect, and I have learned to keep an open mind about some things that I nevertheless believe quite passionately. And I know many others who think/believe similarly. [me] <<6] Nature as that-which-must-be-conquered -- the > world has no value in > itself, only for what Man can do with it. There was > *no* sense of > wonder, except for the creations of Man.>> > [I] But of course - Man's life is highest value. <G> <SssfFFT! SSsssSSS! ack*#@> My cats stongly disagree! ;) [me] << (I'll chalk up her ignorance of the >environment's importance to the > era in which she grew up - but that's perhaps overly > generous.)>> > > According to some later essays by her and by her > followers on this topic > the idea is *of course* to build houses/roads are > more important than > keeping nature intact, but you have to think ahead > also. As far as I > understood the main problem are that > environmentalists are going hand in > hand with political left - and Ayn Rand followers > are anything but. <shrug> I know some survivalists who are also environmentalists - and they'd *not* accept being called lefties! :) [me] <<I do agree that personal responsibility and > willingness to take (some) risks are admirable > qualities.>> > [I] But there are nicer ways to write about them. :-) >My recommendation - > Kay Nolte Smith (inspite her being "excommunicated" > <g>) Ah, so there is Rand's way or the highway? I didn't realize that it really is a religious-type movement. [me] <<She-Who-Has-No-Opinions Maru ;)>> > > Ilana, who has no idea who Maru is. Read Rob's excellent post on that - but, among other things, it's what Japanese ships are named (remember the Kobayashi Maru from Star Trek - Wrath of Khan?); and you can add a comment on your post or the subject or yourself by turning it into a ship name. [The BrinL spin-off Culture list uses ship designations like GSV, ROU, and VFP for similar purposes. <ducks and takes cover ;D >] This particular sig was a take-off on "She Who Must Be Obeyed" - IIRC, Rumpole of the Bailey's wife. And now I see that my objections to the philosophy/themes I gathered from _Atlas Shrugged_ can really be boiled down to two: 1) Lack of empathy for 'otherness' (on-topic! ha! ;}) 2) Profound isolation (which actually intersects #1) Debbi GSV Verbosity ;) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
