Re: bush and Title IX

[Kevin Tarr]

At 10:20 PM 2/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:

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Subject: Re: bush and Title IX


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> From: "Kevin Tarr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > And I don't agree with your view of the lies. I'd say that the
thousands
> of
> > kids who do take advantage of their opportunities and graduate in four
> > years, or less, far outweigh the few who say 'the system failed me'
> because
> > they didn't do their work.
>
> A quick search gives these numbers for the two big college sports:
>
> male basketball: 34%
> football 52%
>
> I haven't found the numbers, but  I don't think that the drop-out rate
for
> all college students is > 45%.

It is ~27%.  So, the overall graduation rate is about 73%.



Dan M.

Well now wait, you are comparing two different things. Unless you got it from a different source, I'd bet that those numbers represent only people who graduate in four years or less. And comparing that to the drop-out rate is very much apples and oranges.

In fact, I just found a site you should be gaga over: <joking>

http://www.ncaa.org/grad_rates/2002/d1/aggregate/d1.html

Division I
FRESHMAN-COHORT
GRADUATION RATES All Students Student-Athletes #
1995-96 Graduation Rate 58% 60%
Four-Class Average 57% 59%

MEN'S BASKETBALL is 41-43%
FOOTBALL is 43 - 52% (numbers vary by definition.)


In fact, division I-A is the only level where students have a better graduation rate, just barely 1-2%. I'd wager that if they can gently add five and six year rates, the SA rate would be even better. (I'm saying gently because there will be a point where non-tradition students, like me, will be reflected in the graduation rates. I only went full time for three years, while a SA would be full time for five or six years at 12 credit hours a semester. Should they be discounted if they are trying their best?)

Don't know where you got the 34%, unless your source just picked the worst number, for Division I-A. I'll admit that this is only a one year slice, but in this case improvement should be noted, not watered down by looking at the last twenty years.

Kevin T. - VRWC
I'm gonna fight fire, with fire (0 - points)

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