From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 15:28:57 -0500
At 10:38 PM 3/7/2003 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote:
>IMNSHO, the 'Earth' character Jen Wolling had it right. Read everything and
>let your worldview be shaken every once in a while.
Yeah..... but when Jen exposed herself to newviewpoints, she didn't also have to expose herself to Jeroen's sanctimony.....
>We have been enjoying a lovely little spate of French-bashing here lately.
>Jonah Goldberg of National Review, who admits that French-bashing is
>"shtick" (as it is to many American comedians), has popularized the phrase
>"cheese-eating surrender monkeys" to describe the French.
Full disclosure - Jonah Goldberg's French-bashing shtick of the "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" dates back to at least 1998, and probably earlier. Its a shtick, he's been doing it for years, and was not developed in response to the very serious issues of the day.
I hadn't heard the term before this, but it's good to know. :)
>One million, four hundred thousand French soldiers were killed during World
>War I. As a result, there weren't many Frenchmen left to fight in World War
>II. Nevertheless, 100,000 French soldiers lost their lives trying to stop
>Adolf Hitler.
I don't know what the proportional casualties were in France compared to the rest of Europe, but somehow Britain and indeed, Germany, both managed to get up to fight again when they felt that they were called.
I'm running to a business appointment, but I thought I'd post this:
http://www.vw.cc.va.us/vwhansd/HIS122/WWIcasualties.html
Estimated World War I Casualties (Principal Combatant Nations)
Austria-Hungary 1,200,000
Britain 1,000,000
France 1,400,000
Germany 1,800,000
Russia� 1,700,000
United States 110,000
Total 7,210,000
The link on the bottom of the page: Estimated World War II Casualties (Principal Combatant Nations)
First Number: Soldiers Killed Second Number: Soldiers Wounded Third Number: Civilians Killed
Britain 250,000 400,000 60,000
China 2,000,000 4,000,000 6,000,000
France 250,000 500,000 450,000
Germany 3,250,000 7,250,000 4,000,000
Italy 150,000 200,000 30,000
Japan 2,000,000 200,000 500,000
Poland 850,000 1,000,000 6,000,000
Rumania 500,000 700,000 500,000
Soviet Union� 6,000,000 14,000,000 15,000,000
United States 400,000 500,000 * � *The U.S. suffered virtually no civilian casualties due to enemy action.
Yugoslavia 300,000 700,000 1,400,000
Indeed, isn't there something fascinating about how France lost 1.4million in WWI, but when faced with perhaps the greatest evil that Europe had seen since Napoleon, or maybe even Genghis Khan, France somehow escaped with only 100,000 casualties?
She's wrong: 700,000 French civilians and soldiers were killed in WW2. We lost 400,000 by comparison. (Of course, we were fighting a 2 front war and they were fighting a one-front war.)
Jon GSV Better Accuracy
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