--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Tom knows all! Tom sees all! He knows the evil that dwells in men's
> hearts.
> > Who are you to question his views? He is right now, he has always been
> > right in the past, and he will forever be right in the future.
> >
> Oh, stop it. I never attack anyone personally on this list. I don't even
> mention whose posts I'm responding to. I deal with ideas and arguments, not
>
> personalities.
>
> Why is anyone defending these racists? Why am I the only one sickened by
> their complete refusal to own up to the evil that possesses their hearts?
>
> > He just forgot to mention Robert Byrd, George Wallace, Jesse Jackson...oh
> > he can't be racist, he's black.
> >
> How the hell does referring to George Wallace disprove my point? He's
> another
> Southern racist who was never made completely illegitimate by his
> despicable
> past. Whereas Jesse Jackson has been pretty much disqualified from any hope
> of
> national influence for saying things as a black man that whites have gotten
>
> away with. Or am I just imagining that Trent Lott, Bob Barr, Strom
> Thurmond,
> Jesse Helms, etc., rose to positions of great power and influence despite
> being
> unrepentant bigots and racists? Robert Byrd is an interesting example,
> because
> he at least appears to have repented his Ku Klux Klan days. Thurmond said
> he
> was sorry but he never did a goddamn thing to actually show he was sorry or
> to
> make up for his decades of malign hatred.
I think it is important here to destinguish between racism and culturalism.
Despising a culture where women are treated as objects, US laws are basicaly
ignored, people use other people as pawns in their bid for violent
advancement, and destructive drugs are pushed on the down troden, is not
racism. It is culturalism. It IS being bigotted -> against the gang-banger
culture. Trying to squash this culture and keep ones decendence from it's
influence is mearly self preservation.
The assertion that all individuals with a particular genetic makeup are
members of such a destructive culture is raceism.
Personaly I do not recognize the term "reverse racism" as if there were some
kind of "backward raceism", or "forward racism". The word is meaningless in
an integrated society such as ours.
And that is where the real danger comes in. When people begin to claim that
we are not in fact integrated based on race. They begin to blur the lines as
talk about culturalism as if it were raceism, and acuse culturalists of
raceism. I have to wonder to what end?
Perhaps they desire to live in an alternative culture themselves, maybe not
the gang-banger variety, but a seperat type of culture from the one we have.
They want to illagitamize culturalism in hopes that after freeing themselves
from the bonds of the greater culture they can solve the unfortunate
counter-cultures such as the gang-bangers. Knoble? Yes, but indirect and
destructive at the same time.
A much more likely senario is political advancement of their own. Use any
dirt you can get on those you must compete with. But here again, at what
cost?
Or more likely, those that would acuse culturalists of racesism are simply
already indoctrinated. They already can not see the difference. Slaves to a
political tool which is nearly archain, nearly outlived it's usefullness to
it's originators. Now it is mearly propogated by the week of mind who
followed the wise ideas which surrounded this now nearly useless political
tool.
Ask any punk rocker in the 80s what is racesim and what is culturalism.
Appearing to be of a counter culture WILL get you treated diferently. It
doesn't matter what color your skin is. Appearing to be of the major culture
will allow one to walk through society unscathed. Once again the color of
your skin matters little.
Now, you may wish to believe that culturalism is also just as wrong as
raceism, and I would have to agree with you to some degree.
However, there are negative, nutral and posative counter cultures, often
intertwined to nationalities and religions, and in some cases even ethnic
groups. The question is who draws the line between negative, nutral and
posative.
Most of us will agree that gang-banging is a very negative counter culture.
So let's deal with reality, with the features of these cultures we approve or
disaprove of. Let us not lump someone who is a "biggot" against gang-bangers
in with someone who is a "biggot" against an ethnic group. Are we not
ourselves then guilty of biggotry? Are we not implying ourselves that all of
a particular ethnic group is also members of the counter-culture?
Further more, let's not lump those who are "biggots" against some political
stance and actions of some particular nation in with those who are bigotted
agains the ethnic group which is associated with that nation.
Just becouse someone does not agree with the actions of the frech governement
or people does not make them a and anti-francite. Just becouse someoen
disagrees with the actions of Isreal does not make them an anti-semite.
And finaly, let's not forget that differnt people from diferent cultures and
differnt upbringings use words differently. You never do know for sure what
someone is thinking when they use a particular phrase of word.
Your friend might tell you that he doesn't like "seafood". And so when you
invite him to a dinner party you make a little chicken so that he doesn't
have to eat the Tuna. When he arives to your supprise he eats lots of Tuna.
You later discover that he "eat's -fish- just not -seafood-". Meaning that he
will eat mahi-mahi swordfish, sea bass, and tuna, but not crabs, shrimp,
seaweed etc.
Words mean differnt things to differnt people. Requiring everyone to use the
wording you would use is not only imposible to achive, but redicuous.
Remember, not everyone processes language in the same way. Offten this is for
genetic reasons.
One might say that "I don't want to go out dancing in Mountainview becouse I
don't want to deal with the Cong". The assumption of this person would be
that everyone knows they are refering to the vietnamese gangs who hang out at
all of the dance clubs in Mountainview. But if you did not know that
Mountainview dance clubs have been taken over by gangs who are ethnicaly
Vietnamese you might think that this persons statment was reacesist. You also
might not know that these gangs do not approve of mixed couples and that the
person makeing the statment is white and is maried to an asian woman, and
that he would probably get beaten up or killed if he were to go to one of
these clubs. And what might happen to his wife might be even worse.
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