--- Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Gautam, now you are getting plain silly.  Making
> personal insults directed at me is hardly a response
> to my long list of GOP sillinesses.

I don't think I'm personally insulting you, actually.
> 
> In fact, I had 4 years of ROTC training and would
> have
> gone to Vietnam if I did not perceive that war as
> the
> worst inanity, falling for a KGB trap of sucking
> America into a land war in Asia.  (In fairness, I
> blame JFK for that one.  Specifically his inaugural
> address daring all comers and proclaiming macho over
> brains.)

So, you had the training and in war didn't go?  This
does not exactly strengthen your case, Dr. Brin.  Now,
if I argued the way you did I'd say you were
consistent - you didn't care about what happened to
the people of Vietnam, and you didn't care about the
people of Iraq.  

I don't think either of those are the case, though. 
The question is why you insist on describing people
who disagree with you in that sort of malign
terminology.
> 
> Which is irrelevant.  The things I accused W and his
> crowd of are specific (you answered none) provable
> and
> actually rather MILD compared to the absolutely
> insane
> series of spewing rants that were aimed at the
> Clintons, accusing them of everything from murder to
> molestation to having a bad marriage.  (That last
> swipe, vicious, had no basis bust became the core
> mantra of a religious movement.)

Since at least one member of the family is a friend,
I'm not going to comment on their marriage.  But they
aren't particularly specific, and they're only
provable to _you_, and people with your rather far-out
viewpoint.  You have to address the central point, Dr.
Brin, that some very intelligent and able people
completely disagree with you.  As long as you insist
on arguing that someone like Rice is an idiot, well,
you're arguing that I am too - because I would say I'm
at least as able to see through propaganda as you are.
 And I don't think she is - she's at least as smart as
I am.  Or, I dare say, as you, Dr. Brin.  If you want
to use the sort of terms and inflammatory rhetoric
that you do, you aren't just insulting the President
and his aides, you're insulting everyone who supports
them - because you're pretty clearly saying that only
a fool or a villain could agree with them.  Say that
if you wish, but don't think I'm going to respect your
opinions afterwards.

> 
> The dopiest thing is to sigh, wave your hands in the
> air and declare it pointless to argue.  Feh.

What's the argument?  DB: All conservatives are
interested in concentrating wealth in the hands of
their frat buddies.  I immediately disproved your
argument.  I'm a conservative, and I'm not.  So I
guess I win the argument?

How exactly do I respond to that?  

> But fundamentally this isn't about conservatism.  It
> is about kleptocracy.  They hated him as much as all
> the other war heroes, like Kerry and Clark.

You mean like George H.W. Bush?  He would be a war
hero too, after all.


=====
Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Freedom is not free"
http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com

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