--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jan wrote:
> 
> > You assume that Millions of average people had a blind hatred, and
> > had found justification any way they could, simply to persecute a
> > group they had blind hatred for.
> >
> > That sounds a bit like raceism to me. Have you not vilified a 
whole
> > people?
> 
> I don't know what history you've read Jan, but from what I've read 
and in 
> fact, from what I've observed, humans have an enormous capacity for 
blind 
> hate especially for those who are in any significant way different 
from 
> themselves.   One only has to observe the genocide in the Sudan, 
the 
> ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, the perpetual war in Israel, the 
200,000 dead 
> in East Timor, the killing fields of Cambodia, the El Salvador 
death 
> squads to understand the capacity for hate.
> 
> I don't know where you got your ideas about the plight of European 
Jews, 
> but they're just wrong.

Weird, you seem to be makeing my point. But then of course you could 
be reading what I have written and assuming a position. Well, sorry, 
go back read again, my position is seldome the position you know. 

Then of course you could believe that people just get up one day and 
decide to hate. You could think that every human has some kind of 
flaw that makes them need to hate. To some extent you mihgt be right. 
We might have a natural instinct for it. There is some evidence for 
this kind of evoluntionary advantage. But if you put yourself in the 
same position of the group that does not yet hate, but will by the 
end of the generation, you might discover that most humans are 
capable of this kind of animocity. We tend to look for some goup to 
blame our problems on. 

It might be a good starting place from which to address hate in 
general. 


I am NOT saying, as some have in the past "it was their own fault". I 
am simply just not saying that! What I am saying is, that you have to 
look at the whole picture, from every angle, look at where the 
animocity came from, far in advance of the existence of hate. 
Understand all sides. If you don't do this, you might as well forgive 
and forget, becouse remembering will have no effect but a propigation 
of more hate. 

If we look back on the events of the past few centuries in this 
manner we can see that these evils happened becouse they were in the 
intrest of some controlling group or another. What is there to learn 
from this? Hatred is the emotion of puppets. What that doesn't tell 
us is how to cut the strings away from the with puppets, how to get 
them to think free. As long as we de-humanize anyone, we will never 
have a solution. No matter how vial the act was, we have to accept 
that they were human, that they could have easily been our parents, 
or more importantly our children. What is more, the opressed could 
have been our parants or children as well. Both outlooks, for 
everyone involved are equaly important.

The right way to look at it is not that ~they~ did that to ~us~, but 
rather look at it from a detatched equal perspecive. Propogating 
niether the guilt of the opressor, nor the victimization of the 
opressed.





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