--- Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No deal. Your basic presumption is flawed. Not every > German during the > holocaust was automatically and without exception a > participant in the > holocaust and a jew murdering nazi. Since already > this premise for your > insults towards me is false, your insults, i.e. that > I'm > excusing/denying the holocaust and thus must be a > nazi, is, since it is > based on this premise, also false. > > Which still leaves the questions I've originally > asked about > accountabillity and information flow, for your > benefit rephrased as > unoffensively as possible, by now still conveniently > unanswered. This to > me proves a point about you and your world view and > your inabillity to > look and act beyond it. Since you aren't able to > discuss this issue and > insist on repeating the insults towards me without > me giving you cause I > believe, I'll just let it go. > > Sonja
The problem with your "question" as you phrase it, is that it repeats one of the standard tropes of Holocaust deniers - that the Holocaust was something that just happened, not a product of conscious design. It's fairly standard to hear it claimed that the concentration camps were no worse than, say, the British concentration camps in the Boer Wars, and they just became worse with time through bureaucratic drift. This is what you are implying with your spurious comparison of Abu Ghraib - that if things hadn't been checked, it would have become a death camp. The obvious difference is that what happened in the Holocaust was a purposeful attempt to exterminate the Jewish population of the entire world. Things didn't get worse over time because of the lack of information. The Holocaust was purposefully designed to exterminate right from the beginning, from the Einsatzgruppen to Bergen-Belsen. The only change was that, over time, the Nazis got better at killing. Methods changed, objectives didn't, and _none_ of it was about "bureaucratic drift" or things getting worse because people didn't know what was happening. People knew what was happening. They just didn't care. I don't feel that I've crossed the line at all, Sonja, when I point out that you will happily give Germans during the Second World War the benefit of every possible doubt, and then some. But when it comes to Jews and Americans, you're not so generous. Would you care to explain to me why that is? ===== Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Freedom is not free" http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
