On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote > --- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Are you saying that Warren been trying to prevent > > democracy in Iraq? > > Functionally, yes.
What does that mean? > Oh, come on, Nick, I can sling "just war" theology > around too. Are you saying that I'm not actually thinking, I'm just tossing words around? > What you mean is that it > never allows a _preventive_ war. No, I mean what I wrote. War is only justifiable after a direct attack or imminent threat -- that is just war theory in short. > Every military on > earth has a doctrine for pre-emptive war. Are you saying that military doctrine trumps religion? If we're going to put the military in charge of ethics, shall we put the churches in charge of defense? Interesting idea. > What we > fought in Iraq was a preventive, not a pre-emptive, > war. Second, a lot of the "just war" theorizers are > just playing games, setting up just war criteria that > can never be met. What do you mean by "just playing games?" They're like children, not serious thinkers? Who are the serious thinkers about war and peace? > mean - it's preening. You can say exactly how much > more moral you are than all those nasty people who > supported the war...and evade any and all questions > about what, exactly, that opposition meant for Iraq. Perhaps you'd like to know what I really was saying? It was not about my morality, it was about my desire to develop better ways to deal with international conflict, which is based in my hope and faith that the world can have fewer wars in the future. I'm curious if you have any such hope. My morality was so flawed that I yielded to the fear of nuclear attack from Iraq and spoke in favor of this war. I wasn't saying that anybody has all the answers, I was saying that the international community can develop better ways, again based in hope and faith. I wasn't saying that every conflict can be resolved withot war, but peace sometimes means living with conflict rather than removing it by force. Peace is not the absence of conflict. > the people being dropped feet-first into shredding machines. Perhaps you forget that this sort of thing has touched me rather directly. Nick _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
