In a message dated 8/16/2005 9:12:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was
> killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son
> joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know
> full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were 
> betrayed
> by George [W.] Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after
> 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists
> hate our freedoms and democracy.not for the real reason, because the
> Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. 
> That
> hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq.in fact it has
> gotten worse.
> 
> <end quote>
> 
> Where's the reference?
> 
> >You think that claiming that Jews got the president to
> >support Israel instead of looking out for the best interest of the US 
> >is
> >not anti-Semetic?
> 
> If she had said "the Jews got the president to support Israel…" then 
> I'd wonder a little about her sanity, at the very least; but then I 
> suspect losing a child can make one loopy for a while.
> 
> However, as (IIRC) Nick pointed out, she didn't say anything about 
> Jews, but about Israel, which is a *nation*, not an ethnic group. 


So let me get this straight. She blames the Neocons (many of whom are jews; 
the movement was founded by jewish intellectuals. So the neocons (who are jews) 
got the president to support the war to aid Israel (by the way in what way 
does this war aid Israel?)

Once again the arguement that I am against Israel not the Jews is usually a 
copout for anti-semitism.

> Suggesting she's anti-semitic because she believes (for whatever 
> reason, and supported only by a quote with no current provenance in 
> this discussion) in an improbable conspiracy 

She apparently believes that this is the major reason for the war,. Not a 
trivial  thing. 

is a little like claiming > one is anti-black because one doesn't like how 
> Somalia is being torn apart from the inside, or anti-Arab for saying that 
> Saddam was a bad 
> man, or anti-Asian for suggesting that Kim Jong Il is a dangerous 
> lunatic who is trying to destroy his own nation.
> 
> For once have to agree with Gautam about intellectually dishonset 
> arguements. This is not the same as saying that Kim Jong is dangerous is an 
> anti-asian 
> statement. it is about saying that jews in the US got the US to go to war in 
> Iraq to protect Israel. 




> 
> 

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