----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: Re: meta research
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 18:24:56 -0600, Dan Minette > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Actually, there were steady state universe theories that were very > > compatable with red shift being due to relative speed. The problem with > > the steady state universe was, at first, how is matter being created > > continuously, in violation of all natural laws that we know of? > > If matter isn't/wasn't created, where did it come from? The freezing of the vacuum. > > Why don't we see the ramification of this happening? > How are you sure we don't? Alternatively, how do you know we could detect > the ramifications? It requires the non-conservation of energy for which dEdt are many many orders of magnitude greater than Planck's constant. If you are interested, I could do the numbers, but I get the feeling that you are not really impressed with calculations in physics....and give equal weight to verbal descriptions. > > The second is when we heard the echos of the big bang, right at the > > energy it was supposed to be at. As you see, the website doesn't > > attempt to > > discuss this. > > Do you mean like this? > http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp I didn't find that, but that still isn't what I would expect from serious research. What I was thinking of was a numerical analysis of this statement by Cornell: <quote> When we observe the night sky we see an excess of radiation which is called the CMB radiation (cosmic microwave background radiation). It is a perfect black body with a temperature of 3 Kelvin. Taken with the expansion of the universe, this radiation says that the universe must have been much hotter in the past and also opaque to radiation. It turns out that the CMB radiation fits in perfectly with being from the first photons to escape after the universe became transparent. The universe became transparent for the first time when atoms first formed (in an event known inexplicably as recombination). <end quote> > 2) The microwave “background” makes more sense as the limiting > temperature of space heated by starlight than as the remnant of a fireball. How is space heated? Further, let us assume that star light formed the basis for the background radiation. Why is it almost perfectly isotropic, since stars are not? > The expression “the temperature of space” is the title of > chapter 13 of Sir Arthur Eddington’s famous 1926 work, [[4]] Eddington > calculated the minimum temperature any body in space would cool to, given > that it is immersed in the radiation of distant starlight. With no > adjustable parameters, he obtained 3°K (later refined to 2.8°K [[5]]), > essentially the same as the observed, so-called “background”, temperature. > A similar calculation, although with less certain accuracy, applies to the > limiting temperature of intergalactic space because of the radiation of > galaxy light. [[6]] So the intergalactic matter is like a “fog”, and would > therefore provide a simpler explanation for the microwave radiation, > including its blackbody-shaped spectrum. Just a note, since that time, we have learned a great deal about matter in space. Non-dark matter is mostly hydrogen, just as the sun is mostly hydrogen, and then helium, etc. The absorption spectra of these are fairly well known. The only way to argue the way he does is to assume that intergalactic matter is inherently different than interstellar matter. Offhand, I don't think of any elements that would absorb photons as he suggests. Now, water has a window, right around the visible spectrum, I know that, but even that won't work. Again, if you want, I can look for the calculations to back up Cornell's astronomy department statement. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts on the accuracy of any Cornell physical calculation than this meta site. If you are 1) interested 2) willing to accept numerical calculations over paragraphs of general descriptions, I can look for some of the calculations. Dan M. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
