jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
But the point remains. These are free living human cells, with a
full complement of human DNA. That someone has suggested they're a
new species is beside the point - these are free-living human
cells... so why aren't they human beings with the same rights as
the rest of us?

Do the cells *really* have human DNA?   The wikipedia mentions their
extraordinary reproductive properties - don't these properties
necessitate some sort of change in the DNA?   After all, if you took
cells from my Mom's cervix, they wouldn't keep propagating in a
laboratory.   This possibility that they have non-human-DNA is
perhaps particularly instructive if further proof is assembled for
the theory that a virus is at the root of many cancers.

JDG--

Welcome back.  I think you're missing Charlie's point.
To me, his argument is that it is VERY hard to draw a clear
line between things that can turn into adult humans and things
that can't.  I advise conceding the point, unless you just
like to argue for the fun of it.  : )

May I propose that you reply:  "Anything produced by combining
a human egg and sperm certainly counts as HUMAN.  Other things
might also; we'll decide about clones later."

                                ---David

(Must--not--argue--with--John...  No, it's no use, I
can't help but gang up on you:  Personally, I think
you ARE a long ways down a slippery slope to "every
sperm is sacred".  Sorry.)

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