Hullo,

So many missives to catch up on.  I've been busy.

As an artist hovering around the computer industry since High School I find it amazing that AndrewC initially claims to be a non-expert, yet sells computers he regularly builds. Andrew, you undercut yourself on the credibility factor with a statement like that while admitting this an ongoing business... I don't know too many in this area of commerce who are not labeled "technical" by the majority of people and certainly not ANY providers who survive long w/o leaning towards the technical - how else does one troubleshoot? I do not understand what is gained from such a pre-loaded frame on the conversation. That you bluster with rudeness and intended insults reveals an arrogance I find irresistible - where's my pile of throwing rocks and favorite sling? As someone who took up the daunting challenge of hand soldering a Timex Sinclair 1000, circa 1982, I allowed myself a wry grin and followed this thread belatedly, with interest. I'll hold back my razor sharp tongue and be positive in the face of gross ignorance and in the interest of propelling the conversation forward.

Yes, if you're a blithering retard, as apparently you are. There are
no other words for it.

Let's see, on one hand you're comparing the length a machine can run
without breaking down, which is based largely on build quality.
Moreover, that mac largely is a sealed box, and you can't upgrade
parts, etc.

On the other hand, you're comparing the time a computer can be
connected to the internet, entire unprotected, before it picks up
nastyware. Which a variety of free firewalls and virus scanners
protect against.

Blithering. Retard.

It's not even elephant vs mouse. It's a piece of paper vs the
transdimensional ghost who inhabits your frontal lobes.

My initial emotions fade into bemused humor and assume you simply had too much caffeine - or too many pints - at the time this was written since your tone has moderated over time. Others have rebutted this enough in detail, so I'll try keeping mine somewhere around the 50,000 ft altitude.

I am a confirmed Mac-centric developer who is ambidextrous enough to know & appreciate the differences. Been there, done both. For reasons of aesthetics {from OS architecture to casing product design} I've been much more interested in the Apple-thang than anything else I've come across from the very beginning. The Mac literally drew me away from a career in architecture. Technically, the Mac has always been ahead of most competitors {'cept for CPU wars of late} and one reason they could get away with a closed box - it was always the market model and price that irked so many, myself included. For instance, do you really care if your iPod Nano isn't expandable {yet}? Damn things even look a tad like the original Mac profile {and I think they missed an intro PR opportunity by not building on that Susan Kare iconography}.

Products overseas were routinely 2x what they are here in America - this has more to do with where the goods originated and the early days of the industry than now where manufacturing & development is dispersed wider and larger. Things are much better now and this is reflected in how much cheaper even Macs have become around the world. I never agreed with the initial $2400 retail price point Apple staked out for the first few years they shipped Macs and as time has shown, a lower price spreads the goodness much farther than something only the "Be$t of Us" can afford - especially when the product is superior. Ask your mother writing letters, sister ripping CD's, or cousin working at the car repair what machine perks their interest and more often than not they point at a Mac {OK, an iPod with Mac dangling behind} and there is no doubt your grandfather will get more done with a Macintosh unless your camped out at his house to nurse him through Bill's glitchware.

Gates lacks panache and real vision and only his immense wealth {buying time and space to refine} raised the Windows UI to a notable level of mimicry and smoothed over its ad-hoc internal architecture - and we still see that legacy dragging it down the security bung-hole. Face it: Gates has always been looking over his shoulder and paying off spies to find out what Apple is cooking up. I'd call him more clever {conniving} than smart {brilliant}: remember their workgroup chant, "Windows isn't done until Lotus won't run"? I'll grant Bill certain redeeming features now that he's giving away vast sums to real-world causes, it's just too bad he had to chew up so many people under cruel & degrading work environments and BORG-like/pedophile-style raids on small companies to become such a wealthy respected elder gentlemen.

In reality you, Andrew, are heir to the mainframe and mini support class of technicians who migrated out of the air conditioned institutional monsters that required heavy technical support to a decentralized personal computer model that required an army of technicians to coddle MS-DOS/Windows 3.1 into a workable form busy humans can use. I watched this transfer and heard the cackle of glee from techies & compatriots who rubbed their hands at all the support money they leeched keeping those rickety not-ready-for-prime-time contraptions working. This is one big reason so many MIS departments shoved Microsoft/IBM goods onto corporate desks: it {still} keeps them employed and users grateful to get them running, again. Macs simply didn't require such overhead, and still don't - relatively speaking. Even under the old Mac OS it was rare I had to do a fresh install {even as a developer} and since the advent of OS X it's even better as I've only installed from discs when Apple issues a major upgrade - about once a year. I am writing on a G4/500 mHz machine that certainly feels it's age when I look at minimal reqs for current games, but I bought this and the original Cinema Display in 2000 and expect to hand both down to my son soon for yet more life. Similarly I have almost all my original machines and they still run fine - I keep them around to run projects that I worked on that couldn't migrate to modern systems since I have a resume/portfolio to protect - but they all are useful even if they use more wattage {especially screens} than current gear. Those weekends of regularly re-installing XP sure show a smoking productivity rating! With the newest machines the canard of Windows= cheap / Mac=expensive is finally ground into the dust of history books and stats like Mac longevity get their appropriate hearing on otherwise long-deaf ears. Sigh, I sure don't wax nostalgic for DIP switch setting and driver wrangling, do you?

Now, Microsoft has certainly come a long way on the UI - which is how most people view their computer - and {finally} even made some industry-wide improvements to PARCs' initial work, but I am in no way ready to concede they advanced the industry except when forced kicking and screaming... do you remember the "Don't Believe the Icon Con" slogans in Dr Dobbs? As we see with the explosion of malicious digital flora and fauna infecting the monoculture biz-tech plantation system that is Windows there really is a high cost {to us} at the back-end of how they organized themselves and you. Linux is interesting, but hardly a household utility, so where ya gonna send grandma? Looks like on an even-price playing field the market is responding: Apple gains share every month. In the end your only limiting yourself by denying the value others readily find with this branch of the technical tree - there may be more opportunity for you than you realize if you can tear your ego away from the PC trunk w/o too much pain.

- Jonathan "Real Men Don't Use Backspace Keys" Gibson -
www.formanfunction.com

BTW - when and what are you going to do with that uplift site? Something cool, I hope?
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