[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:44:54 -0500 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: We Will Not Be Afraid > > > >> I'm not sure if we are on the same page here. >> (Certainly, I posted the links I did for informative reasons and >> not >> as an example of my own beliefs. But I think you are missing the >> gist >> of the argument given.) > > I do understand that you often post ideas that you think are worth > looking at, even if you don't agree with them. In particular, I > took > your posting of this idea as an example of the case that folks make > that Bush is attacking the liberties of American citizens. I went > straight to discussing the idea...assuming that it is one you just > put on the table for consideration, not one you were backing > personally. >
Arigato Dan Kun! > >> What I am given to understand is not that US Citizens can be tried >> in >> a tribunal, but that they can be held indefinitely, a removal of >> habeas corpus rights westerners have enjoyed for many hundreds of >> years. > > But, this law does not attempt to revoke habeas corpus. Yes, it > does > allow Americans to be called unlawful enemy combattants. This means > that those Americans, who are caught on the battlefield, would not > be > afforded the same protection under the Geneva convention as would > lawful combattants. > > But, the habeas corpus rights of Americans are not based on the > Geneva > convention, they are based on the Constitution of the United States. > So, the president declaring an American citizen an unlawful enemy > combattant would only be relavant under very specific circumstances. > >> This administration has done pretty much that with at least one >> citizen > > That was a special case. The person was caught fighting with > enemies > of Americans on the battlefiend in Afganistan. Jose Padilla, the man in question, was arrested in Chicago on May 8, 2002, and remains in detention in a military prison. For the first three years of his detention he was held without charge; he is now charged with "conspiracy to murder, kidnap, and maim people overseas". These charges have appx. zero to do with the reasons stated at the time of his arrest. My personal opinion is that Padilla likely deserves to be imprisoned, but that he should have been tried and convicted long long ago (and that he might be John Doe #2 from the OKC bombing in 94). His habeas corpus rights have been quite obviously violated and he *is* an American citizen. That he is a complete scumbag is irrelevant. xponent Even Scumbags Get Their Rights Maru rob _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
