On 05/01/2007, at 2:08 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:

> On 5 Jan 2007 at 1:47, William T Goodall wrote:
>
>> Con men thrive like maggots in the filth of religion. Not to mention
>> the abusers, addicts, bullies and other low-lifes it attracts.
>
> As they do in new age cults, UFO cults, "anti-hate" groupd, or even
> your own faith.

Which have similarities in the way they operate. Apart from the  
latter, which is a non-sequiter.

> You're certainly a bully and abuser.

He "certainly" isn't. Strident, forceful and rude, vicious in parody  
and a baiter who goes far too far in getting his rise out of people.  
You fall for it repeatedly and rise to it every time.
>
> The issue is not ideology, it is people. Trying to blame the front
> people use for their excesses rather than the people themselves is
> the typical tactic of the scaremonger and the demagogue.

It's both. When organisations protect those among their number (as  
with the recent and ongoing Catholic Church abuse revelations), the  
organisation and mind-set behind it is just as fair game as the  
individual perpetrators. Individuals are wholly responsible for their  
own actions, but any organisation or movement that protects the  
guilty from justice and responsibility is just as guilty.

Charlie.
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