----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William T Goodall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: The Conversion of John C Wright


>
> On 5 Jan 2007, at 19:25, Robert Seeberger wrote:
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "William T Goodall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: The Conversion of John C Wright
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 5 Jan 2007, at 14:34, Robert Seeberger wrote:
>>>>  Indeed, for the entire faith thing to work God must always be
>>>> unprovable and that is the crux of the determinism/freewill 
>>>> duality
>>>> that is so essential to faith.
>>>
>>> There are religions that have a deterministic view and secularists
>>> who argue for free will and vice versa. I'm not sure what your 
>>> point
>>> is.
>>>
>>
>
>> Free Will is a very important concept with regard to sin. How can 
>> an
>> act be evil/sinful if one has no choice in the matter?
>
> How can something be as simple as falling off a log if one has no
> choice in the matter?
>
> Eh? Maru

Heh!
I think it obvious enough that I am arguing against a purely 
deterministic philosophy.
I believe we do have choice and that without choice there can be no 
meaningful definition for the concept of "sin".

There are philosophy/religions that argue for strong determinism, but 
in my opinion they downplay the role of consciousness and view the 
world as purely/mostly mechanistic.

xponent
Anthropic To Some Degree Maru
rob 


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