On 05/01/2007, at 9:13 PM, William T Goodall wrote:

>>
>> He "certainly" isn't. Strident, forceful and rude, vicious in parody
>> and a baiter who goes far too far in getting his rise out of people.
>
> You calling me a master baiter Charlie?

*cough* Something like that... I find your schtick a bit tiresome,  
but not as tiresome as seeing the same couple of people on the same  
couple of lists rise to the same bait every time.

>> It's both. When organisations protect those among their number (as
>> with the recent and ongoing Catholic Church abuse revelations),
>
> Or the emerging Rabbi abuse scandal in New York.

Or that one.

>
>> the
>> organisation and mind-set behind it is just as fair game as the
>> individual perpetrators. Individuals are wholly responsible for their
>> own actions, but any organisation or movement that protects the
>> guilty from justice and responsibility is just as guilty.
>>
>
> That's religion!

Organised religion is a subset of the groups that are susceptible to  
subversion by the immoral, and especially in the case of Christianity  
where obedience to a particular interpretation is encouraged to the  
detriment of healthy inquiry, and there is an organisation as a whole  
to be protected, these things are more easily swept under the carpet.

I don't see that there's any reason to tar all religion with the same  
brush, but I do think the days of assuming that religious groups are  
more moral are over and need to be put aside - all groups need to be  
examined on their own merits.

Charlie.

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