Maree,

If, on your way South from Redding to Santa Monica you find yourself  
in the Bay Area (somewhat unlikely, if you're going via Yosemite, but  
hey), Nick and I are in the South Bay.

I, for one, would welcome the opportunity to meet another list member  
in 3Space.

Dave

On Oct 25, 2008, at 5:41 PM, Ray & Maree Ludenia wrote:

>> On Behalf Of Jon Louis Mann
>
>
>> Subject: Racial and Gender bigotry
>> Welcome to the list and to America, Maree!  I have travelled
>> extensively in AUS and New Zed and would be curious to hear how
>> different racial and gender bias is in America, compared to down  
>> under,
>> and how it is dealt with in your educational system, and in families?
>>
>> American television is being exported all over the world, but not Fox
>> News Network, yet... (although Rupert Murdouch is now an American
>> citizen, I believe.~) We do have many television programs that do
>> promote tolerance and sensitivity, many of which are spinoffs from
>> European programs.
>>
>> If you pass by Santa Monica, CA in your travels please contact me.
>> Jon Mann
>> (310) 664-3712
>>
>
> Hi Jon and thank you for your kind words.
> Australians are as xenophobic as Americans in a generalist sense. It  
> was
> only with the recent change in government that an apology for the  
> treatment
> of our Aboriginal people was being formulated. The apology may have  
> been
> made by now, but if that is the case I missed out on hearing about  
> it over
> here.
> Although education is an essential part of the solution to the  
> problem,
> there needs to be a broader response for this to work. This should  
> IMHO
> include carefully monitored affirmative action programs. Positive role
> models in various positions in media also help mitigate bias.  
> Community
> education projects can also help. Churches, and other institutions for
> social control and organisation, can have a great effect. We could  
> also use
> are more activists like Mahatma Ghandi or Martin Luther King. I am  
> sure
> there are many other approaches that will work as well.
>
> My comment about broadening the solution came from my experience as a
> secondary school teacher. Over the years, whenever there is a societal
> problem the call goes out "Get the schools to deal with it." Schools  
> are
> instruments of social control and can be quite effective in that role.
> However, the more social programs foisted on schools the less time  
> they have
> to devote to teaching thinking, researching, arguing, reading,  
> writing,
> mathematics, science, history, geography and all the other important
> subjects that an educated person needs to know to effectively  
> function in
> our society. It is a difficult job getting the balance correct and  
> one that
> schools at home do amazingly well. I know so little about the system  
> here in
> the US that I would not like to comment on how well things work here.
>
> Of course between you and me we can solve all the world's  
> problems ;-).
> Regards,
> Maree Ludenia
>
> PS We are currently in Redding CA and moving south - Yosemite calls  
> before
> it gets too cold. We may end up in the Santa Monica area and if we  
> do I
> would love to catch up with you. ML
>
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