> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:17 PM
> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
> Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
> 
>  Alberto
> >
> > >
> > > Clearly, the only solution is for the US to mount a massive attack on
> > > all the countries listed in the article at once.
> > >
> > It's surprising that not a single piece of the future-former-USA went
> > to Israel. Those conspiracy theorists are getting unimaginative.
> >
> 
> Sheesh, don't you know?   Israel _controls_ all those countries.
> 

Switching the conversation to something not as much fun, I've been wondering
if Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran have found a "heads I win, tails you lose"
proposition.  

The first two attack Israel with rockets located in the middle of civilians.
If Israel doesn't respond, they up the attacks.  If it does, it kills lots
of civilians and Hamas and Hezbollah gain in popularity.  Iran is setting
Israel up so it (or the US which is doubtful) will have to bomb its nuclear
facility or face an enemy with the ability to wipe out Israel and virtually
all of its population in 15 minutes.  If Israel does bomb, it won't know if
it got all of the facilities, or if there is a buried one.

Plus, demographics favor the Palestinians in the long run.  Further, since
Arabs control oil, there is a great desire to please Arabs by many world
powers (the UN tacit approval of the genocide in the Sudan is a good example
of this), other countries will have to act against their own self interests
to worry about Israel.

So, can anyone argue me out of this pessimistic viewpoint?  I honestly hope
so, even though I'll argue hard for this point....it's one argument I'd love
to lose.

Dan M. 


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