At 05:54 PM Saturday 1/3/2009, Dan M wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
> > Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:17 PM
> > To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
> >
> >  Alberto
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Clearly, the only solution is for the US to mount a massive attack on
> > > > all the countries listed in the article at once.
> > > >
> > > It's surprising that not a single piece of the future-former-USA went
> > > to Israel. Those conspiracy theorists are getting unimaginative.
> > >
> >
> > Sheesh, don't you know?   Israel _controls_ all those countries.
> >
>
>Switching the conversation to something not as much fun, I've been wondering
>if Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran have found a "heads I win, tails you lose"
>proposition.
>
>The first two attack Israel with rockets located in the middle of civilians.
>If Israel doesn't respond, they up the attacks.  If it does, it kills lots
>of civilians and Hamas and Hezbollah gain in popularity.  Iran is setting
>Israel up so it (or the US which is doubtful) will have to bomb its nuclear
>facility or face an enemy with the ability to wipe out Israel and virtually
>all of its population in 15 minutes.  If Israel does bomb, it won't know if
>it got all of the facilities, or if there is a buried one.
>
>Plus, demographics favor the Palestinians in the long run.  Further, since
>Arabs control oil, there is a great desire to please Arabs by many world
>powers (the UN tacit approval of the genocide in the Sudan is a good example
>of this), other countries will have to act against their own self interests
>to worry about Israel.
>
>So, can anyone argue me out of this pessimistic viewpoint?  I honestly hope
>so, even though I'll argue hard for this point....it's one argument I'd love
>to lose.
>
>Dan M.


Apparently the strategy works, as I've heard on the news when Gaza 
citizens are interviewed they blame America as well as Israel for 
civilian deaths rather than Hamas for launching rockets from civilian 
neighborhoods.


. . . ronn!  :)



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